Thread: Deadlift - Squat differential too high?

I have never been able to squat as much as I dead...

It may be genetics

I agree but I think my gap is too high. I could Deadlift 225 all day but on squat it feels like it should be 300 pounds.

Center of Gravity and Stabilizers would be my guess.

Obviously the higher load point on the squat is going to be tougher to complete, then the lower load point on the Dead. Just my guess

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Center of Gravity and Stabilizers would be my guess.

Obviously the higher load point on the squat is going to be tougher to complete, then the lower load point on the Dead. Just my guess

Yeah, for sure. Totally different exercise. I guess I'm just fretting that my squat is bad.

How long have you been squatting compared to deadlift?

As Iain said, it is easier to hold the bar with your arms than on your back for the simple fact that the bar can move forward or backward on a deadlift while if it were to do this on a squat it would either kill you or fall off your back.

I would squat more, do different types of squats (Speed, box, pause, etc.). Typically the only thing you need to do when you have a weak point is to target that weak point with a proper program.

Also, do you squat and DL on the same day?

No seperate days.....I cant even imagine having them on the same day with a good amount of intensity. I have not put in as much time squatting as deadlifting.....sad but true.

There is your answer, squat more. Simplest answer is always the best. Maybe you could hit up a westside routine.

I squat far more than I deadlift. I think THAT's strange.

I can deadlift 380 but my squat max is only like 235

Just depends on the person..my deadlift max is lighter than my squat max. Used to be the other way around. I saw the weaker point and trained hard to bring it up.

Speed box squats have helped my squats quite a bit in the past 8 weeks.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

I can deadlift 380 but my squat max is only like 235

good....I am not alone.

deadlift max 325, squat max 315. just keep squating. dont be shy!

Originally Posted by Deeznuts

Just depends on the person..my deadlift max is lighter than my squat max. Used to be the other way around. I saw the weaker point and trained hard to bring it up.

Is this true raw as well? I know lifting suits do a lot more for your squat poundages as opposed to deadlift poundages.

I almost deadlift a lot more than I squat. I've deadlifted 405 but never squatted more than 305, although I haven't tested my squat max in a while. It may be a little closer now, but still quite the difference.

I can easily imagine how a lifting suit would help max squat a good bit even though I have never worn one. I am definitley going to hit up some box squat and when going lighter focus on speed. I also just finished my mini-cut today....I'm so tired of vegetables and chicken breasts for dinner, damn dorms....mmmmm...I can't wait for more carbs......I'm hungry. My squat will hopefully shoot up, I think it will.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Is this true raw as well? I know lifting suits do a lot more for your squat poundages as opposed to deadlift poundages.

The suits can't be all that supportive otherwise the deadlifter wont be able to pick up the bar, thats why they dont 'help as much.'

I dont squat nearly as well as I dead, but my leg press is plenty.

Deadlift 420 back squat about 300 ATG. Don't have a clue what that is now or what it is parallel, but my deadlift has always been significantly higher than my squat.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Is this true raw as well? I know lifting suits do a lot more for your squat poundages as opposed to deadlift poundages.

I almost deadlift a lot more than I squat. I've deadlifted 405 but never squatted more than 305, although I haven't tested my squat max in a while. It may be a little closer now, but still quite the difference.

Yes, I am speaking raw There was a MAJOR differnce when a squat suit was added, but i'm not factoring that in. There are deadlift suits as well, although they hardly do as much as a squat suit.

I dead 200 for 2x8 and 150 squat for 2x10 so those aren't close to my maxes I assume, but my squat is alot lower compared to my dead. So same theory.



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You also have to factor in the way one squats. Deeznuts probably does power squats, as in a squat powerlifter style. This decreases the range of motion and makes better usage of the posterior chain. This helps change things a little bit.

the biggest thing you have to factor in is the form of your deadlift. If you get really sloppy on a squat you fail. Anyone can pull a big deadlift off the floor like a jack ass with a rounded back. It is much easier to let your form slip on a deadlift and still compete the lift then on a squat. That is why most people can hit a bigger deadlift then a squat.

Originally Posted by P-funk

the biggest thing you have to factor in is the form of your deadlift. If you get really sloppy on a squat you fail. Anyone can pull a big deadlift off the floor like a jack ass with a rounded back. It is much easier to let your form slip on a deadlift and still compete the lift then on a squat. That is why most people can hit a bigger deadlift then a squat.

True enough. I also feel that the squat it the most technical of the big 3 PL movements.

Originally Posted by P-funk

the biggest thing you have to factor in is the form of your deadlift. If you get really sloppy on a squat you fail. Anyone can pull a big deadlift off the floor like a jack ass with a rounded back. It is much easier to let your form slip on a deadlift and still compete the lift then on a squat. That is why most people can hit a bigger deadlift then a squat.

This is true, but I can still hit probably 5 less than my max with very-near-perfect form. Of course, only a little rounding occurs when I max, but I see your point - some people probably take it too far (a certain video of a kid 'deadlifting' 300 comes to mind...).