Are strong shoulders a negative or positive for chest development?

**god hand** · 02-02-2006, 02:42 PM

I would think that having strong delts would be a negative for your chest because damn near every chest movement involves the shoulders. What do you think?

**MyK** · 02-02-2006, 02:48 PM

I think that that is the dumbest question of the month!

**MyK** · 02-02-2006, 02:49 PM

to answer your question, YES you need strong shoulders as well as strong everything else for a good chest development!

**P-funk** · 02-02-2006, 02:51 PM

why would the be a negative?

**god hand** · 02-02-2006, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

why would the be a negative?

Strong shoulders will always carry most of the load while benching.

**god hand** · 02-02-2006, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by MyK

I think that that is the dumbest question of the month!

I love how you keep showing how much people in CANADA sucks!

**P-funk** · 02-02-2006, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by god hand

Strong shoulders will always carry most of the load while benching.

everyone has strengths and weaknesses....If you have stronger shoulder natually they will carry more of the load. the same could be said for someone who benches with a lot of tricep or chest. What the hell are you trying to say?

**Nick+** · 02-02-2006, 03:14 PM

How the hell can strong shoulders not help chest development? The muscles are interlinked.

Yes, some BB's seem to have huge shoulders and small chests....
But if you are training with shit shoulders, you probably won't get a big chest.

**god hand** · 02-02-2006, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

What the hell are you trying to say?

Read this

Originally Posted by IRON MAN

Paul Burke on (UPPER CHEST) training..

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Paul Burke is the author of Burke's Law - A New fitness Paradigm for Mature Males. He is also a professor, trainer, and gives lecturers about bodybuilding.

Below is an article Paul had written that I "strongly" agree with..I believe some who have big arms and/or shoulders are confused in how to properly stimulate their pectoral minor (upper pecs). Hopefully this article will help shed some light on how myself and many others with big arms and/or delts have made their upper chest grow! Notice it was "NOT" the (incline dumbell flye) Paul turned to inorder to gain more UPPER chest size.

Take me for instance. My arms are 20 inches pumped as a natural trainer, but my biceps and triceps are so seperated they look even bigger than that. I may have great arms, but the price for that was a (WEAK UPPER CHEST). I could never bench press well because my triceps just stole the show each time and there wasn't enough pectoral minor cross-fibers to carry the load. I had to figure out a way to optimize a weakness just as much as optimizing a strength.

Most people in this field would say to my dilemma, "Use dumbells." This is a good start, but how? And to what extent? I found that by doing slight declines, I really brought my chest up- literally. My upper chest finally started to look somewhere close to my arms in proportion. What did I do so differently? I used declines, but got to the point where I could really overload my pec because I had been given a leverage advantage by turning my body upside down. Hence, the stroke was shortened. taking some of the triceps out of the action. And the results was more prominent pecs from top to bottom!!!

**P-funk** · 02-02-2006, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by god hand

Read this

yea....sounds like he needs to mess with his technique and try and focus on pressing with his chest a little more.

**god hand** · 02-02-2006, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

yea....sounds like he needs to mess with his technique and try and focus on pressing with his chest a little more.

Fair enough. You can close this thread now.

**P-funk** · 02-02-2006, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by god hand

Fair enough. You can close this thread now.

lol...naw...others may want to way in on it.

**LexusGS** · 02-02-2006, 05:44 PM

Yes. I have strong shoulders, thus I never train my chest because my delts take 95% or the weight.

**NiceGuy** · 02-02-2006, 05:54 PM

For body composition it would be great to have larger delts/shoulders, because it adds to the "V" shape of your body.

-B

**TJ Cline** · 02-02-2006, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by god hand

Fair enough. You can close this thread now.

**kenwood** · 02-02-2006, 06:48 PM

**IRON MAN** · 02-02-2006, 06:51 PM

Paul Burke was dead on given one is lacking a bit with their chest genetics. Jat Cutler falls into this same category and prefers various forms of flyes over pressing movements.

I could flat bench or incline press all day and not gain much chest mass regardless of the technigue I use because my huge front delts and triceps take over much of the movement. But declines and various flyes machines place most of the stress on my pecs and not the shoulders/triceps.

So I think it's not a problem of having big shoulders and triceps as much as it is wide clavicles and less muscle fiber in the chest region.

I hope this helps clear things up.

**MyK** · 02-02-2006, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by god hand

I love how you keep showing how much people in CANADA sucks!

and you keep showing how fucked the US school system is!

nice grammer!

**soxmuscle** · 02-02-2006, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by MyK

nice grammer!

does this not happen all the freakin' time? everybody tries to insult somebodies grammar and they always end up misspelling the word grammar.

MyK, i love you, but you really shit the bed on this one.

**MyK** · 02-02-2006, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

does this not happen all the freakin' time? everybody tries to insult somebodies grammar and they always end up misspelling the word grammar.

MyK, i love you, but you really shit the bed on this one.

I intentionally do it because its funny

**soxmuscle** · 02-02-2006, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by MyK

I intentionally do it because its funny

well that makes sense.

**CowPimp** · 02-02-2006, 10:04 PM

That's where isolation movement, pre-exhausting, supersets, and exercises that better target the chest than the bench press come into play.

**IRON MAN** · 02-02-2006, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by god hand

I would think that having strong delts would be a negative for your chest because damn near every chest movement involves the shoulders. What do you think?

Paul Burke was dead on given one is lacking a bit with their chest genetics. Jat Cutler falls into this same category and prefers various forms of flyes over pressing movements.

I could flat bench or incline press all day and not gain much chest mass regardless of the technigue I use because my huge front delts and triceps take over much of the movement. But declines and various flyes machines place most of the stress on my pecs and not the shoulders/triceps.

So I think it's not a problem of having big shoulders and triceps as much as it is wide clavicles and less muscle fiber in the chest region.

I hope this helps clear things up.

**god hand** · 02-02-2006, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by MyK

and you keep showing how fucked the US school system is!

nice grammer!

**MyK** · 02-03-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by god hand

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