Doggcrapp Training

**P-funk** · 02-27-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by petrainer

I love how the #1 promoter of Ironmans training is a 50 year old "enhanced" lifter who displays pictures of himself that show zero muscular development.

hey, I know you.

petrainer · 02-27-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

hey, I know you.

Sup P funk. Just tossing my 2 cents in on the insanity.

**Dale Mabry** · 02-27-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

We all know there is only one online perosnal traininer...his name is DALE MABRY!!!

I wouldn't begin to know what a perosnal is, let alone be able to train one.

**P-funk** · 02-27-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I wouldn't begin to know what a perosnal is, let alone be able to train one.

shut it Mr. Anconeus. You will never be forgiven for stealing my training ideas.

No seriously guys....I went to school with the guy that invented gyms and he claims he knows the guy that intvented working out. Amazing isn't it!

petrainer · 02-27-2006, 01:52 PM

Both workouts were stolen from Leo Costa Jr. He stole his shit from the Bulgarians. The Bulgarians apparently stole their shit from Vince Gironda.

**P-funk** · 02-27-2006, 01:55 PM

"There's only so many way to permutate training and I dareay most have been tried at this point. The old joke is that, whatever you're doing now, Grimek probably did it 50 years ago. Except that it's no joke. You can look at just about any trainnig protocol being done now, and it's been used/tried at some point during the 20th century. So when I hear about the HST guys adding some partials at the end of their sets for more metabolic work; I think "Ah, like Gironda who used to advocated 6-8 'burns' when you hit failure". My combination of tension/metabolic work in the same workout is fundamentally no different than a zillion protocols that have come before. But I never claimed that it was."

-Lyle McDonald

TJ Cline · 02-27-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by petrainer

Both workouts were stolen from Leo Costa Jr. He stole his shit from the Bulgarians. The Bulgarians apparently stole their shit from Vince Gironda.

True story, back in the 80's I used several of Vince Gironda's training programs.....and most were 20 +years old already

Tough Old Man · 02-27-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by petrainer

I love how the #1 promoter of Ironmans training is a 50 year old "enhanced" lifter who displays pictures of himself that show zero muscular development.

What's your problem jackass. I hadn't lifted in over 20 years until about a year and a half ago. theni double tear a left elbow tendon and then the left rotaor cuff. So i'm nothing special, but I'm not going to stop until i get to where i want to be.

I set around mexico for 11 years drinking beer and got real fat, way over 300 lbs. In the pic's below I'm down to 223 lbs and still doing my best to lift even with all the injuries. How about you zit face. Will you still be training when your in you fifty's.

I'm also a lot bigger now 3 months later then in the below pic.

petrainer · 02-27-2006, 03:07 PM

Yeah I will be. I started training when I was 15. I'm 33. Ive never stopped.

Tough Old Man · 02-27-2006, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by petrainer

Yeah I will be. I started training when I was 15. I'm 33. Ive never stopped.

Well maybe you have my luck and break your shoulder when you 35. See I was never suppose to lift again. But about 18 months ago i figured if i didn't get off my ass and start training that I would die shortly. So sometimes it takes thing to make you see the big picture.

So don't critize me Lad as I have boys older then you that are in as good as shape as you or better. Your not going to find many 53 year olds as strong as me.

I'm not so little anymore as in that pic and when the time comes i'll post more pic's.

Why don't you post a pic of you and maybe I can tear your's down. Deal Lad. Otherwise let things be unless you want a war on your hands.

petrainer · 02-27-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Why don't you post a pic of you and maybe I can tear your's down. Deal Lad. Otherwise let things be unless you want a war on your hands.

Its the only pic in my gallery.

I can post some of me today, not in contest shape at 250, natural... If you like.

**P-funk** · 02-27-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by petrainer

Its the only pic in my gallery.

I can post some of me today, not in contest shape at 250, natural... If you like.

are you going to compete in the eastern states in NYC coming up in june? Or, are you going to be competing in NYC at all this spring?

petrainer · 02-27-2006, 03:34 PM

Im looking to hit something this winter, so I can keep doing some strongman stuff right now, and not worry about getting lean right now.

Tough Old Man · 02-27-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by petrainer

Its the only pic in my gallery.

I can post some of me today, not in contest shape at 250, natural... If you like.

Really I'm not interested. But I will say this. If you think it's easy putting on muscle after the age of 50, then you need to regroup. I didn't start this until i was already 51 and it's been a tough going. But i've hung in there.

Does arnold look like he's in the same shape now that he was in his 30's. Why not he still trains. Cause the fucking muscle don't want to do anything but retire.

Pick on someone your own age lad when it comes to bodybuilding. I'm actually a hell of a lot better at something else and won't get into that. but will tell you it's more physical then bodybuilding

Petrainer you look good, but you also look as old as me in that pic. Sorry

Tough

min0 lee · 02-27-2006, 04:14 PM

This thread must has brought alot of attention from other forums, and rightfully so.
But it's funny how grown men bitch as much as women do though.

Tough Old Man · 02-27-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

This thread must has brought alot of attention from other forums, and rightfully so.
But it's funny how grown men bitch as much as women do though.

What would you know frank?

..But old toughy still wants you.

min0 lee · 02-27-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

What would you know frank?

..But old toughy still wants you.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy this thread.

IRON MAN · 02-27-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

What's your problem jackass. I hadn't lifted in over 20 years until about a year and a half ago. theni double tear a left elbow tendon and then the left rotaor cuff. So i'm nothing special, but I'm not going to stop until i get to where i want to be.

I set around mexico for 11 years drinking beer and got real fat, way over 300 lbs. In the pic's below I'm down to 223 lbs and still doing my best to lift even with all the injuries. How about you zit face. Will you still be training when your in you fifty's.

I'm also a lot bigger now 3 months later then in the below pic.

Let's see a picture of that sexy lady standing next to you. She looks cute.

I think TOM is built very well for 53 years of age.

Editors Note:Inconsiderate people who ridicule others bodies are just plain IGNORANT.

soxmuscle · 02-27-2006, 05:47 PM

Tough ridiculed my body, my knowledge, and the way i train. Are you calling Tom ignorant!?

IRON MAN · 02-27-2006, 05:48 PM

I agree whole heartly with moderator P-FUNK. Every training style under the sun was built upon others methods. The IRON MAN "HIT" was built off of various training principles that I put together. The SLINGSHOT method was the only part I devised all by my lonesome and I'm sure I was not the first to discover this techinque.

But DOGCRAPP believes he was the originator of his routine WITH NO HELP FROM OTHERS??? . So- http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=60710 (IRON MANS' "Theories Explained")

JerseyDevil · 02-27-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by petrainer

Both workouts were stolen from Leo Costa Jr. He stole his shit from the Bulgarians. The Bulgarians apparently stole their shit from Vince Gironda.

Yeah but Leo Costa Jr gave plenty of credit to the Bulgarian's throughout his "Big Beyond Belief" series.

I know about the 'Iron Guru', but I never really read his training principles. From what I did read, it seems to me he shunned basic compound movements in favor of cables. Maybe that was just one phase....

**P-funk** · 02-27-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IRON MAN

I agree whole heartly with moderator P-FUNK. Every training style under the sun was built upon others methods. The IRON MAN "HIT" was built off of various training principles that I put together. The SLINGSHOT method was the only part I devised all by my lonesome and I'm sure I was not the first to discover this techinque.

But DOGCRAPP believes he was the originator of his routine WITH NO HELP FROM OTHERS??? . So- http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=60710 (IRON MANS' "Theories Explained")

actually (LOL), if you re-read the post I STOLE it from Lyle McDonald....hahahha....THE SAGA CONTINUES!!

shiznit2169 · 02-27-2006, 05:55 PM

is it me or am i watching the best soap opera show ever created?

The ironman soap box

Tough Old Man · 02-27-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Tough ridiculed my body, my knowledge, and the way i train. Are you calling Tom ignorant!?

Only when you bashed iron man. If you bash him again, then you leave me no choice but to thrash you. You want peace, don't bash iron's training until you have put in 6 months of it. then you can bash it all you want.

And fuck no he's not calling me ignorant but intelligent for using his training. Get the picture sonny.

I only made one mistake here and that was bashing Dante. I shouldn't have done that as he never done anything to me which I may have not deserved. This is between Dante and Iron Man and I will no longer get involved in there dispute.

Note: I will continue to use Iron Man's training as it has help me to reach the next level. That's all I can ask of a trainer regardless of where the info comes from.

JerseyDevil · 02-27-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

I only made one mistake here and that was bashing Dante. I shouldn't have done that as he never done anything to me which I may have not deserved. This is between Dante and Iron Man and I will no longer get involved in there dispute.

That is the best thing you said this entire thread

soxmuscle · 02-27-2006, 07:39 PM

i never bashed iron man's training. i bashed his spelling and grammar or lack thereof.

dante has held himself to perfection in this thread. iron man has not. again, i'm not picking sides, thats just what i see from reading this thread to its entirety.

TJ Cline · 02-27-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

i never bashed iron man's training. i bashed his spelling and grammar or lack thereof.

dante has held himself to perfection in this thread. iron man has not. again, i'm not picking sides, thats ( that's ) just what i see from reading this thread to its entirety.

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petrainer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 28 Photos: 1	Both workouts were stolen from Leo Costa Jr. He stole his shit from the Bulgarians. The Bulgarians apparently stole their shit from Vince Gironda.

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