Thread: Proper Training

Originally Posted by Doola

Im wondering what is a better approach to working out when both cutting and bulking.

If a person is

1.) CUTTING.
what roultine is better?

a. Getting up in the morning doing 1hr cardio from a nights sleep when resting heart rate is slowest and nothing has been put into the stomach for hours. Then in the evening doing 30 min weights/ 30 min cardio.

b. Getting up in the morning doing 30 min weights / 30 min cardio, then in the evening hour or 2 before bedtime doing 1 hour cardio.

2. BULKING. (if cardio is thrown in, when, how long and why)

a. Again, morning weights only,

b. Evening weights only.

Me and A friend have completly different goals and were wondering what the best approach was, and why.

Thank you.

An hour of cardio right after waking on an empty stomach does not sound good to me.

its not fun... but ive done it many times, and apparently its good because, the cardio wont burn the food / calories in your stomach, but attacks your fat stores directly.

im curious to hear what people have to say about all of this on here..

Originally Posted by Doola

its not fun... but ive done it many times, and apparently its good because, the cardio wont burn the food / calories in your stomach, but attacks your fat stores directly.

Yeah, that is true. Guess what happens if you don't eat in a caloric deficit though? Calories are stored as fat later in the day, and that which you burned has now been replaced. Some people swear by it though, and you're welcome to give it a shot. I would, however, intake some protein to help prevent muscle catabolism. You will still reap the benefit of unaffected blood sugar levels, but reduce the chance of using your muscle as an energy source. Also, make sure the exercise is low intensity (Don't let your heartrate go above the 60-65% of max range). Bumping up the intensity once again increases your chances of breaking down muscle tissue.

I simply think it's the biggest sham ever, as your true focus should be on boosting your metabolism and balancing that out with a moderated caloric intake as opposed to "attacking fat directly." However, you are welcome to do as you please.

What the cow said

my understanding of what you said (cowpimp) is eat at a calorie deficit (so you cant gain), intake proper protein (to feed muscle) and to do a 60-65% range cardio session (in order not to hit cardiovascular level and use muscle as your energy source).

I understand that, thats pretty much what I have been going on, however, all that aside, WHEN to do cardio most effectivly still comes to play...

Cow, when do you preffer to do your cardio session?

Originally Posted by Doola

my understanding of what you said (cowpimp) is eat at a calorie deficit (so you cant gain), intake proper protein (to feed muscle) and to do a 60-65% range cardio session (in order not to hit cardiovascular level and use muscle as your energy source).

Sort of. The mention of low intensity cardio and protein intake was referring specifically to fasted cardio. What I was suggesting is that instead of doing cardio in a completely fasted state you ingest some protein prior to the session. That will limit muscle catabolism. Also, I am not a big fan of lower intensity solid state aerobic cardio. There is nothing wrong with it per se, but I much prefer interval type training for more reasons than the results. However, in the case of a fasted cardio session, you should definitely be sticking to low intensity cardio to once again limit muscle catabolism.

I understand that, thats pretty much what I have been going on, however, all that aside, WHEN to do cardio most effectivly still comes to play...

Cow, when do you preffer to do your cardio session?

All the days on which I don't lift weights. I lift 4 days per week currently. I do cardio the other 3.

If I do cardio this is how I do it. Wake up immediately fix whey in water, wait 40 minutes, drink a cup of green tea (or green tea extract, ya know EGCG (sp) to help bump metabolism) Go do cardio. Wait an hour or so after cardio then entice myself with some real food