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I See©
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Is Strict Form ReSTRICTing Your Muscle Gains?
I found this to be interesting, not all exercises I feel this way but like on upright rows, if I use perfect form I don't see the results as I would when I cheat some.
Is Strict Form ReSTRICTing Your Muscle Gains? by Skip La Cour What is your definition of “form”? Quote:
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Join Date: May 2005
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Have you ever noticed that some of the most successful, dedicated, and hardest working bodybuilders in the world use what some would call “less-than-perfect” form?
So if Barry Sanders uses sloppy form and I train like him I will rush 2053 yards in one season with a shitty line?? |
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I See©
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Not sloppy like in the retarded newbie way, but not perfect.
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Join Date: May 2005
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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I think I agree with this article somewhat, especially finding the balance part. For example, if you are using a heavy ass weight and start cheating around rep 4 out of 8, that is cheating too much. But if you can bang out 7 with great form, and start cheating slightly to get the last one, or even one extra one, I think that can extra exertion of the muscle can be a positive thing sometimes.
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I See©
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I notice this big time on traps, if I cheat they grow like crazy if I use proper form they stagnate.
This is only for certain exercises that I feel this way. |
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Adamjs
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Sydney
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To me cheating on the last few reps is fine in moderation- but that's just my dodgy opinion and I have no idea what i'm talking about generally. I cannot see the difference between a negative or an assisted lift or a rack lockout or whatever type of beyond failure/overloading training you want to attempt and a cheat lift.
They all pretty much take you to a weight you would not normally be able to handle - which cannot be a bad thing once in a while can it? |
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Fueled by Testosterone
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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I see his point, but what a crappy article in my opinion. Most people use garbage form on virtually every exercise they perform as it is. There is no need to point out that people are being too strict with their form. I don't think I've ever seen a single person who is...
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Patrick
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: AZ
Posts: 30,432
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I agree. What gym does he train at where the people us good form? ![]() |
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Earth
Posts: 169
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The primary motivation for using better form is injury prevention in most cases. Once you get sloppy you increase the risk of injury.
Competitive lifters must practice good form because without it they will be DQ'd. But many training techniques use cheating principles as a way to blast past sticking points or to overload train. However, there is still a practical limit to how much you should cheat for results versus how much will produce injury. Adding 20-30 lbs to a lift to go beyond your observed threshold is much different than piling on an extra 80-100 lbs. Take for instance overloading on a benchpress. Adding 20-30 lbs more than your observed max with proper form for some overload reps requiring your partner to pull you through sticking points with a few fingers is not necessarily that risky. But adding so much extra that your partner is doing his rowing for his lats while you bench with rotten form is another thing entirely. I've seen people overload so much that their spotters are turning red to help the bar along while they squirm under the bar like a worm thrown into a fire pit. Just stupid. |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 33
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I agree with the article. Providing you *know* proper form, I think it's ok to conciously let the form slip a little in order to feel the heavier weights and make progress to lifting heavier.
In my case I couldn't seem to make any progress past a certain point with barbell curls. Now I let my form slip a little on the last few sets/reps just to get a feel for heavier weights, and guess what? I'm making faster gains now than ever before! I think in moderation some slip in form is ok, as long as you aren't kidding yourself totally just to lift heavier, or risking injury with *really* sloppy form. |
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