shiznit2169

My biggest guess is because most people hate doing legs. Honestly, i used to be a victim myself. I absolutely hated doing legs and was always an "upper body" type of guy when i first started lifting because i loved the feeling of having a pump. That's why you see so many guys with big chests and chicken legs.

Ten months later, legs and back are my two favorite parts to work on. Mainly due to deadlifts, SLDL's, squats, front squats, pullups, pulldowns, and rows.

mike456

im 15 years old, my max bench was 130 like 2months ago(havent maxed out in a while) but i did 120 for 10 yesterday, im 22, i have 24.5% bodyfat, Im not Johhhhnny's son, i do not know everything, but i am 99% sure i know more than you- shiznit. Yea P-funk knows more than me, but i still think he is wrong about body part training, whatever.

shiznit2169

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You say you are 15 .. and then you say you are 22?

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You know more than me? Well judging by your posts and how you preach bodyparts training style, I advise you to keep doing what you're doing and then I'll hear about your injury report in a couple weeks.

mike456

yea ok buddy, that was either a typo or a edit i didnt mean to type that im 22( i have no idea how the hell that got in there), im a sophmore in highschool, i bet by next year with my style of training ill woop ur ass, ill be 16 and how old will u be
dont just say bodypart training is stupid, give your reason or else ur the stupid 1
did u even understand why i think bodypart training is better, post what i meant and then tell me whats wrong about that or else just keep ur dumbass comments out of the thread

MyK

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what the fucks wrong with you?

mike456

myk read the previous messages if ur confused: i bymistake wrote im 22, and shiznit realized it, in the post u quoted i was saying it was a typo(mistake)

I AM A 15 YEAR OLD SOPHMORE IN HIGHSCHOOL

MyK

either your really weird or someone is fucking with your posts!

mike456

sum1s fuckin with my posts, please stop

mike456

anyway, I am 15 years old- do you understand that myk

AKIRA

Yeah thats what I was thinking..."balance." Id like to do bodypart training again and prolly will in a few weeks, but it wont be the same as it was before cuz of balance.

The workout mike posted was too much of a good thing. And now after seeing his push day, I dont see shit for his posterior deltoids or laterals. Do they need to be done? I dont know, I am not you. Would I recommend them? Sure, why else are we going to gyms?

Bodypart working works even if its not balanced, but then we gotta look at goals. Is an injury a goal? Prolly not.

Also, besides injury, bodypart training also may incorporate overtraining, which I believe NONE of us want. But then THAT has to do with your split. Is it a 3 day split, 4 , 5 etc. There are so many variables.

I am not sure if a push/pull/leg routine follows through this as its a 3 day split. I like doing my whole leg day on one day. Its hard as hell, but if it can be done with enough intensity and sufficient volume, why not, you sure as hell arent going to overtrain it.

Only reason why I quoted that is when I FIRST started the push/pull/leg routine, I felt as if I could do more, so I went back to the gym and did more push/pulls but lighter. They worked fine, but I was still doing only 1 leg day a week. Why didnt I do a light leg day too? Cuz I was sore! So I thought, well shit, if I figured out a way to get my legs THAT sore, why couldnt I with the upper body? So I went back to the drawing board and guess what, I am still there.

Like someone said, this shit is an art. No matter what the workout style you have, you know what works for YOU. Dont forget that some of these members/moderators are trainers, so they have to be able to not only show their clients how to do these exercises, but 'why' also. The 'why' explains movements, not bodyparts.

A client may ask their trainer why they do certain workouts that are not in THEIR program and the trainer could say its for powerlifting, olympic, or even just cuz of experience. The trainers own workout should work for a client, but again, lots a variables have to be met or measured.

In the end, I dont think bodypart training is worse or better than a movement training regime. If both are balanced, both should work for anyone.

6' 209lbs (8/16)
Bench 365 (12/3)
Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19)
Squat 370
Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17)
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P-funk

well, those are three money exercises that are all hitting the same type of musculature......So, ofcourse, by the time you get to dips you are going to be fried to hell! This is also the reason why I don't do it as a push day and a pull day. I do total upper body so that I can get in, hit what I need to hit and get out and things don't affect the other because I balance intensity between the movement planes...no what I mean?

It has nothing to do with me being right and you being wrong. It has everything to do with your program set up. I would have done upper/lower and hit the movement planes with different loading schemes on both days rather then push/pull and heavy on one day.

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-Buddha's Little Instruction Book

CowPimp

There's nothing wrong with push-pull-legs. I was referring to the chest, back, shoulders, arms, and legs split mostly. Yeah, one day can be enough, but if you want to increase the frequency of your training (Total training in this case) then you should want to increase this factor for your legs as well, no just upper body musculature. Your lower body will adapt. It can handle being trained more than once each week.

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nsimmons

To quote denis leary "You're 15 years old, you don't know shit about shit, and pull up your fucking pants!"

Your program works because youre a fat ass whos probably never exercised before. I used traditional body part programs before, and i made good progress on them. Although Ive made the most progress in the least amount of time using compoud movements. Ohh the time wasted isolating muscles...so foolish

Deads, squats, bench, pullups, Overhead press, what else do you need?

mike456

i do lateral deltoids on pull day(upright rows) and i don't do posterior, they get hit when i do bent-over rows

shut the hell up nsimmons, u dont know shit about shit, what the fck does it have do with that im fat im prolly more athletic than you. theres nothing wrong with bodypart training and theres nothing wrong with push, pull, legs they will both work if you train hard and have good exercises, but i still think bodypart training has its advantages, and all those exercises you mentioned are in the routine I posted, i noticed every1 just kisses the mods asses, they are smart but i bet if they said bodypart training is good you would agree, most of you don't have a mind of your own, you just listen to the mods, what ever they say u back them up, all of you whhy dont u post why i think bodypart training is better and whats wrong about it, your prolly too stupid to understand what i was tryin to say in the previous posts.

mike456

ill try to explain why i think bodypart training is better one more time

ON push days most people do Chest, than Shoulders, than triceps

mostly all the chest exercises you do use the shoulders to assist them to complete the lift you are doing, now lets say your done with chest, your shoulders are tired, you cant do the weight you would normally be able to do, most people think this is a good thing, the thing is your shoulders are just fatigued and not worked properly, you werent targeting the shoulder with a hard 6-10 reps-which is what you should be doing for muscle growth, for example its like you just did a shoulder press with a light weight for 20 reps, they will be tired but they were not worked properly for muscle growth, now lets say you finished the shoulders with your lighter weight because they were fatigued, now its time to do triceps- oh no, you just did pressing movements for your chest, then overhead presses for your shoulders, your triceps are tired as hell, just like last time you will use a way lighter weight for the triceps than you would normally be able to do if they were fresh, again they didnt get hit hard with 6-10 reps, for example its like you did 30 reps of skull crushers your triceps are done but they didnt get worked properly for hypertrophy! do you get it now, whats negative about bodypart training,your muscles that you will be working that day will be fresh, and youll hit them hard with the heavy weight you usually use, with a push, pull, legs i bet your chest and back were growing because those are the probably the muscles you hit first and they were fresh, but those poor shoulders, triceps, and biceps are getting little to no results!

PTYP

Sounds to me like Mike456 gets his training philosophies from Konan.

Hit it and hit it hard.

mike456

whatever im sick of trying to convince people to train right
u do it your way, ill do it my way

IainDaniel

How long have you been training?

How many clients have you trained and for how long?

How much research have you done on this subject?

Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.

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mike456

i been training since june, so about 11 months, I havent trained any clients i did help out a couple of friends though- im 15 years old, all i think about is bodybuilding, ive done a shitload of research

mike456

Ian Daniel let me ask you this, what do you think is so negative about bodypart training, and after you read my post don't u think it is better, if u understood and agreed with my post, they keep talkin about injury- what the hell does that have to do with doing a push, pull, legs, or bodypart training, most of them just say im stupid and dont give a reason, does this make any sense to you, they just agree with the mods, they don't have a mind of ther own. this thread just keeps gettin me pissed off

IainDaniel

so reference something to support your claims. And Muscle and Fitness is not research. I am talking about studies.

And in 11 months at 15 I highly doubt you would understand what type of research would be needed to make any reccommendations.

Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.

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mike456

i am my reference- trial and error and some common sense
did u ever here of max-ot training they have the same thinking as me- fatigued muscles and worked muscles are two different things
you can go to this web page, you have to register, but its free-

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read if u want to understand more, im not saying just cause they wrote it its true, its that it makes sense

IainDaniel

So you have basically no understanding of the mechanics of the body?

Nor any legit sources to reference?

You have been training for 11 months, and have read shit all. Talk in 10 years when your ignorance has left you with a screwed up shoulder or back

Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.

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mike456

fu

mike456

you never answered my question so just shut up

IainDaniel

Point proven

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IainDaniel

Your question has been answered many times. If you like to do a body part workout and that gives you the results you like. Then stick to it.

You just can't get your dick out of a body part workout to realize there are many ways to train. Maybe in a few years when you mature and realize you don't know everything

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mike456

u didnt answer my question so shut the hell up

CowPimp

Thanks man. I appreciate the kind words.

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CowPimp

You could apply the same philosophy to lateral deltoids. They are used to a large degree when overhead pressing. Abduction at the shoulder joint (On the frontal plane) is largely carried out by the lateral deltoids.


Calm down. The problem is that you have no argument, not that people are kissing the mod's asses. Now, me and P-funk already espoused certain benefits of body part training. Further, a body part split can be put together to promote a balanced physique, it is just more troublesome. It's already been stated that not only do body part splits work, but it is a great way to ramp up the total volume of your training during an accumulation phase.


Do you understand why your shoulders are fatigued when you come to overhead pressing? Because they have already been worked! Goal achieved, problem solved. Using your logic, you should alternate the order of your exercises every session, but I bet you don't do that.

Furthermore, that problem is very easy to solve. How about you alternate which plane you press on at the beginning of each session. Week 1 you emphasize the horizontal plane, and week 2 you emphasize the vertical plane. You could also alternate; you're still thinking too much in terms of body parts, and that body parts have to proceed one another. Example:

Instead of doing...
Bench Press
Incline DB Press
Military Press
DB Arnold Press
Skullcrushers

You could do...
Bench Press
Military Press
Incline DB Press
DB Arnold Press
Skullcrushers

Or...
Week 1:
Military Press
Bench Press
DB Arnold Press
Incline DB Press
Skullcrushers

Week 2:
Bench Press
Military Press
Incline DB Press
DB Arnold Press
Skullcrushers


See what I mean? Get creative. Your "problem" is solved. However, you shoulders are getting subjected to plenty of training stimuli no matter which way you do it, so you should be growing regardless. Your pseudoscience bodybuilding theories that lack any scientific or empirical evidence aren't cutting it.

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