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topolo

I hope a priest gets to you, you little bitch.

TJ Cline

What is the first rule of the "I hate KEFE club?"

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kenwood

well kefe whats ur training schedule look like? wait a min u sent me a pm of it

My 12yr old training to be the strongest 12yr old kid!

mon: bench(w/the straps o yeah)
a few bicep curls

tues:suppose to be a leg day but i dont know how to squat

wed:more bench(w/straps) and 1/2reps
a few curls

thurs:well i was thinking of a back day but i cant deadlift so i guess i will just bench some more

fri: hmmm....few bicep poses and i'm done wait,wait maybe some bench

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y would u need straps to bench? u cant use straps on benchpress can u????!? IMO throw the straps away and start squatiing and deadlifting kid

KEFE

i didnt send you that u retard

15 years old
Bench 220x2
Squat max 260-280
Can't deadlift right now because of back pain from accutane.
162lbs 5'6

vinceforheismen

come on kefe ur in "advanced math clases" like u said before.. can u figure it out???

vinceforheismen

hahaahhahaha i love it.!!!!!!!!!!! u are amazing!

NMOY

Keke that looks like you are raising your lower back completely off the bench on EVERY rep! Is that true? If so you are gonna F'UP your back hardcore, you gotta keep your back down man.
--YOU ARENT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BULK untill you finish puberty, that isnt a joke, it is fact. Wait till your body is FORMED before you tamper with it, 12 year olds arent meant to bulk, wait till your grown, you should be sticking with high rep stuff to ELONGATE your muscles, so when you are OLD ENOUGH to bulk, you can actually put on a good amount of size, but that wont be now, and you DEF shouldn't be pounding all sorts of shakes and supplements at your age, your gonna stunt your growth.
what you are doing is not healthy.

Squaggleboggin

Plenty of myths being perpetrated here.

Firstly, it is not improper form to raise the lower back from the bench during the bench press movement. All top benchers do this and they can lift over 1,000 pounds.

Secondly, let the kid do what he wants as far as training. His body is still going to grow, even if it's not as much as it would be for someone ten years older. His muscles are (no offense) small, and he may be able to recover more quickly than most because of this. Of course he's not going to have 25" thighs when he's twelve, but I doubt very much that he hopes to achieve a goal of this magnitude.

Thirdly, since when do certain rep ranges elongate muscles? I could be wrong, but I was unaware of this phenomenon.

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TJ Cline

Only one or two and the need all kinds of equipment to do it......725 is the real world record.
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Squaggleboggin

Over 1,000 pounds has nonetheless been bench pressed. I don't truly respect those numbers, but they are what they are and it has technically been done. I didn't mean to imply that all top benchers can bench press over 1,000 pounds, but that is what it might appear I was trying to say.

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NMOY

Have you ever seen a male ballet dancer? They do not look super buff, but they are STRONG as all hell.. They look skinny, but when they flex, WAMMO. they have ELONGATED their muscles through their various bodyweight exercises, which are typically high high high rep.
Also, how on EARTH can you say that RAISING YOUR BACK on bench press is good form. I have a very hard time beleiving that just because some giants do it to push up massive weight equates to it being GOOD for you, if you can't do the weight with your back down, you shouldnt be doing it IMHO.

TJ Cline

Yes it is really hard to lift a 90LB woman over your head.

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Squaggleboggin

Um, they do a lot of stretching. You would think that, with all the guys in gyms who do nothing but curls, you'd notice freakishly long biceps or something. Stretching is the key to getting muscles to elongate (if that's actually what happens; either way, they allow you to stretch them farther).

I'll put it this way: Raising the back is the best way to move the most weight. It mimics a decline press, a movement in which most people exceed the poundages of the bench press. Humans are naturally stronger in the decline position, so big benchers lift their lower back off the bench. Some even put their head down first and arch their back to quite an extent. This also decreases the ROM of the movement, allowing still more weight to be moved. Go to a powerlifting meet some time and tell me no one benches with an arch. If it were improper form, many more people would have serious back problems from benching in this way as you have claimed will happen. On the contrary, however, most good benchers have very strong, healthy backs.

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NMOY

I can hear that from you about powerlifters, and believe you, and still NEVER want to do bench raising my back, I personally think it feels aweful, and find it to be cheating my chest. I would much rather not risk injuring my back, by keeping it down.

Squaggleboggin

Powerlifters are simply trying to move the most weight possible. They aren't cheating their chests because that's not why they perform the exercise.

Obviously you shouldn't do anything with which you're uncomfortable when it comes to lifting, but that's not really the way it works. You see, the back is obviously a large, powerful part of the body. Powerlifters use their legs to help drive the bar by using their tight core (including the back) to transfer that power to the upper extremities. I'm just not understanding how the back can be injured in this way, I suppose. Would you care to expatiate for the sake of universal comprehension? (...or just for me?)

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NMOY

From what I have read, higher rep workouts do stretch ones muscles much more than lower rep workouts, that is where I am coming from with that - therefore high reps = a better overall stretch = elongation. No?

Just to quote one of MANY sources about bench pressing:
"Common errors during the press phase include: arching the back and lifting the feet from the floor. Arching the back is a cheating movement that is the result of a lifter attempting too heavy of a weight. The back arch allows the lifter to cheat by utilizing the force generated by the buttocks and hips to assist the chest in the lift.

The back arch places the bones and intervertibral disks at risk of injury. The back was not designed to arch in this exaggerated manner. When the lifter arches his/her back to compensate for a lack of strength, the intervertibral joints can sustain injury due to the combination of compressive and expansion forces simultaneously affecting the joints and disks.

To correct this problem, stress proper technique. Also, the weight should be decreased to a level that is more appropriate to the strength of the lifter. This can be a problem with the competitive ego-driven male. Simply reinforce the notion that proper technique leads to proper strength gain in the target muscles."

do you dissagree?

TJ Cline

Dead Lifting 700lbs is terrible for your spine also, so what's your point?

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NMOY

*points to my last post*

That is my point.

mike456

foreman you were benchin 160+ when you were 12- LIAR!!

TJ Cline

Ok so do not power lift, problem solved.

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P-funk

true story. I was his spotter back then.

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mike456

KEFE- whats your max bench now?

Squaggleboggin

The source was obviously not writing from a powerlifting point of view. Powerlifters do this, as I said, to move more weight. The article does not conflict with this information, actually. And, to be honest, there are indeed hundreds upon thousands of sources from which to derive vast amounts of knowledge about lifting. Unfortunately, most of those sources have incorrect information. Search for a member named Mudge and click on a link in his profile labeled something to the effect of 'the perfect bench press' and you'll see what I'm talking about. A powerlifter would arch the back and would consider it proper form for moving the most weight; a bodybuilder would keep the chest involved as much as possible and would consider it proper form for the most hypertrophy. So, I think that calling it improper for is incorrect because it is dependent upon context. You could also argue, however, that the BB style is more dangerous because of the undue stress it puts on the shoulder joints (elbows flared). I would rather put stress on my back, surrounded by strong muscles, than on my rather weak and delicate shoulder joint to be honest.

As for the whole reps and elongation thing, I've never heard that higher reps elongate a muscle, but I know that dancers get their flexibility from stretching because several of my friends have done ballet for years.

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P-funk

no one said powerlifting was healthy.

that said, if you are going to compete then you have no business lifting like that.

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TJ Cline

I did not max at 12, but I did bench 100 for 3 sets of 10 at 12 years old, and I did full reps. And that was by my second workout ever.