Girls have it easier!

MyK · 04-23-2006, 09:17 PM

girls have it so easy, all they have to do is eat clean and they look good. most of them fuck that up though!!!

SubliminalX · 04-23-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ablc

Except that my behaviour wasn't all that abnormal relative to the girls I knew in highschool. Certainly there were plenty of normal girls, but I wasn't even the most neurotic. There was a girl who had a breakdown after learning that PepsiOne had a calorie. As far as I know, I'm the only one who was put on a diet at birth, but I wasn't the only one doing whacked out things by elementary school.
Thing is, the longer you starve, the more you have to starve...it's just a downward spiral health-wise, and not so much weight-wise.

I still think you're talking about extreme cases. My ex GF did a little running a few times a week and ate sensibly. Salads, rice, soup... occasional junk food. Not malnourished at all. She had a nice body. Not like a swimsuit model or anything, but definately makes guys notice. I can find plenty of 18-25 women like that.

An attractive look for a female can be up to 25-30% BF, so long as she isn't sporting a spare tire or cellulite on the thighs. For women it's mostly about ratios, which can be achieved without necessarily being thin or lean.

Here's what I think an average gal with average genetics can look like with a little effort:

But a guy who's 25-30% BF? Disgusting. 10% BF with little muscle mass like Edward Norton in fight club? Weak.

A typical gal can be a "babe" a lot easier than a typical man can be a "stud." For the most part, men need to be lean AND muscular to achieve that. Women just need the right ratios.

Brutus_G · 04-24-2006, 12:19 AM

I agree that girls have it easier food wise. I mean my food bill is huge. Girls have more estrogen which makes losing fat harder and building tone sexy muscle(even if they only need a little) also becomes a time consuming process. Girls (if my mom,sister,friend,and poeple i've met are anything to go by) don't like poeple watching them lift, which makes lifting heavy hard and heavier harder. Then they must contend with that time of the month in which they turn...well you know.

**Mudge** · 04-24-2006, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by themamasan

I don't know of a single female that is not fat, but a decent weight and in shape, who spends anywhere close to the amount of money that I do for food.

Do you buy makeup or lingerie for yourself? Do you make less statistically than your male counterpart?

**CowPimp** · 04-24-2006, 02:51 AM

Some men have it tough and so do some women. Some women have it easy and so do some men. A women or a man can be born with amazing genetics or crappy genetics.

The13ig13adWolf · 04-24-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Tuvre, USA

I live in a CA beach town, and it is a fact that most girls can watch what they eat and maybe take walks and look friggin amazing in a bikini. A muscular girl is just icing on the cake (if you like it). Many hot females just have to stay a bit lean and firm. If a guy wants to stay lean and firm he ends up looking like a ballet dancer (like I did years ago). Guys have to kick ass on the weights, diet, and balance the 2 with cutting in summer. I hope women realize how little they need to do to look great. The media only talks about how hard it is for women to get or keep a great body.

Sorry for the rant. I've been cutting for months and it is insanly hard! This is after bulking forever! See what I mean?

are you serious? we store more fat dude. i guess it depends on what type of body a chick is looking to achieve but i work my ass off and am not even close to where i wanna be. stop with your pity party man...

The13ig13adWolf · 04-24-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouble

Bullshit! Women have higher estrogen levels. We put on fat easier; muscle mass is harder for many to build and maintain (except for those of us with, ahh, insulin to spare, it serving as an excellent anabolic agent when insulin sensitivity is maximized).

The socially proscribed body form for women is still the skinny fat look. The old problem with a lack of a bust a lower body weight has been met with surgical implants for chest and ass.

The skinny-fat look is not healthy. Many women abuse weightloss drugs and stimulants to achieve this look, rather than using adequate nutrient intake and exercise to produce a firm and healthy bodyshape.

With a lower BMR, you won't find many of the skinny-fat women eating and drinking heartily when they go out, unless they exercise OR use other much less healthy measures for weight control - like smoking.

Its a misconception that women have it easier than men when it comes to body shape control.

The13ig13adWolf · 04-24-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Tuvre, USA

All I meant was that girls look good when they stay firm and don't get fat. I know too many females like this (even over 30). Guys who just do this look lousy. I have excellent willpower with my diet, and I love sports which will keep me firm and toned. If I do this ONLY I will look like crap. If I lift some weights ONLY I will look like crap. If I bulk and get big ONLY I will look like crap without cutting. If I cut too fast, I will look like crap. Sheesh.

muscles do not 'tone', they grow and shrink.

maybe try a clean bulk next time so you won't have so much excess to take off.

jwg · 04-24-2006, 02:32 PM

All of the good looking women/girls at my gym do is cardio.

They never do weights, except for maybe some leg curls and that butt blaster thing.

Sometimes I wish I could get away with just doing that.

TJ Cline · 04-24-2006, 02:33 PM

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The13ig13adWolf · 04-24-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jwg

All of the good looking women/girls at my gym do is cardio.

They never do weights, except for maybe some leg curls and that butt blaster thing.

Sometimes I wish I could get away with just doing that.

are you kidding

women CAN'T get away with doing only that unless they wanna look like skinny fats.

women with REAL muscle that DON'T wanna look like a damn twig NEED to train just as hard as men do my friend. there are some of us that ACTUALLY train. i swear cardio bunnies make all of us look bad. good grief.

jwg · 04-24-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The13ig13adWolf

are you kidding

women CAN'T get away with doing only that unless they wanna look like skinny fats.

women with REAL muscle that DON'T wanna look like a damn twig NEED to train just as hard as men do my friend. there are some of us that ACTUALLY train. i swear cardio bunnies make all of us look bad. good grief.

No, I'm not kidding about the ones in my gym doing just that and looking good.

You'd think weights were kryptonite to most of them.

I guess some people just have it easier than others.

**Jodi** · 04-24-2006, 02:48 PM

This is all such CRAP!

Women got the short of end of the straw:

1. Hormones
2. Menstrual Cycle
3. More VAT for organ protection for pregnancy
4. Slower metabolisms/nutrient partitioning
5. We have to eat a LOT less to lose
6. We can't build muscle like men due to higher estrogen and lower testosterone - again, hormones
7. We have to deal with monthly water retention.
8. We have to due a lot more cardio than most men
9. Our BMR's are much lower

Here is an article I just found that might explain some.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/st...ticle_continue

Spud · 04-24-2006, 02:51 PM

I think all he was trying to say is that the average female looks better than the average male. Which is true, unless you're gay... or female.

**Jodi** · 04-24-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Tuvre, USA

I live in a CA beach town, and it is a fact that most girls can watch what they eat and maybe take walks and look friggin amazing in a bikini. A muscular girl is just icing on the cake (if you like it). Many hot females just have to stay a bit lean and firm. If a guy wants to stay lean and firm he ends up looking like a ballet dancer (like I did years ago). Guys have to kick ass on the weights, diet, and balance the 2 with cutting in summer. I hope women realize how little they need to do to look great. The media only talks about how hard it is for women to get or keep a great body.

Sorry for the rant. I've been cutting for months and it is insanly hard! This is after bulking forever! See what I mean?

Ummm./..........nope - he's saying women have it easier than men which is bullshit!

Scott17 · 04-24-2006, 03:06 PM

LOL It's ture. Us men got it alot easier than women.

The13ig13adWolf · 04-24-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Spud

I think all he was trying to say is that the average female looks better than the average male. Which is true, unless you're gay... or female.

THE AVERAGE FEMALE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IS A SKINNY FAT WITH LITTLE TO NO MUSCLE.

The13ig13adWolf · 04-24-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jwg

No, I'm not kidding about the ones in my gym doing just that and looking good.

You'd think weights were kryptonite to most of them.

I guess some people just have it easier than others.

they don't have it easier dude....they look like shit (in my humble opinion at least). who the hell wants to sit on a treadmill or the gheigh eliptical machine for 2 hours a day eating away any muscle they 'could' potentially have. ARE YOU KIDDING????? not all of us wanna be those twig-like-stick-figures some men drool over on the cardio equipment. personally, it makes me ill. i don't train my ass off to look like a sickly runway model with no muscle whatsoever. BARF!

The13ig13adWolf · 04-24-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

This is all such CRAP!

Women got the short of end of the straw:

1. Hormones
2. Menstrual Cycle
3. More VAT for organ protection for pregnancy
4. Slower metabolisms/nutrient partitioning
5. We have to eat a LOT less to lose
6. We can't build muscle like men due to higher estrogen and lower testosterone - again, hormones
7. We have to deal with monthly water retention.
8. We have to due a lot more cardio than most men
9. Our BMR's are much lower

Here is an article I just found that might explain some.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/st...ticle_continue

fantastic post

fufu · 04-24-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The13ig13adWolf

are you kidding

women CAN'T get away with doing only that unless they wanna look like skinny fats.

women with REAL muscle that DON'T wanna look like a damn twig NEED to train just as hard as men do my friend. there are some of us that ACTUALLY train. i swear cardio bunnies make all of us look bad. good grief.

Bakerboy · 04-24-2006, 04:02 PM

I think this thread is a good one...

In my opinion, both men and woman have it hard if you have unrealistic goals.

It seems like the type of women that men on this site drool over are not what most of the woman on this forum desire to look like, or that as a man we see beauty in a variety of shapes and sizes...

I think our society is obsessed with presenting women as week and skinny, instead as strong and confident... So many skinny fat chicks...(powerless)

We need more respect for each other, and to do that we need to not look at each other like objects...

Women, post a picture of a woman that you feel is close to your ideal, someone you think has a nice shape and size.

I do agree that women bodybuilders in general face a few more obstacles (training wise) (see Jodi's list) when trying to achieve the same goals as men bodybuilders...

BillytK03 · 04-24-2006, 04:32 PM

I read that in a poll everyone (women) want to look like Angelina Jolie...

that aint bad!!!!

I think the bottom line of this thread of what was intended to imply is that Women have many different looks they can do to look good that men just cant do!

Women can look muscular,ripped and sexxy.
women can look lean, toned and sexxy.
women can look lean, skinny arms, flat stomach, sexxy.
women can look firm, average arms, big butt, sexxy.

see my point where I am going with this.......

Now guys on the other hand cant pull these looks off....
just look at my avatar, Im ripped, six pack, toned, vascular, but no size, too hard for me to gain weight and stay lean....... but a girl looks great like that.

women can attain a ripped stomach, thin arms through catabolism.... where as men look like crap that way...........

A women can go to the gym, do a few ab exercises then hit the treadmill for awhile and call it day.... then go home eat a lean protien source with some complex carbs every 3-4 hours, etc.... and attain that lean body if they have the discipline and look friggin' good..... think a guy can do that.... LMAO

I do however understand the women's point of views on how hard it is for gaining lean muscle and looking good if thats whats intended, but getting ripped up and lean without having to worry about maintaining muscle is actually the easiest thing to do IMO and women can and do look good this way where as men dont if they have no size to go along with the ripped mid section...

The13ig13adWolf · 04-24-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bakerboy

It seems like the type of women that men on this site drool over are not what most of the woman on this forum desire to look like

i agree.

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I think our society is obsessed with presenting women as week and skinny, instead as strong and confident... So many skinny fat chicks...(powerless)

i agree x2.

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Women, post a picture of a woman that you feel is close to your ideal, someone you think has a nice shape and size.

mrmark · 04-24-2006, 04:42 PM

I would like to see our society adopt that described above but i can't imagine it, especially when you see fat/obese men/women on TV 24/7.

The13ig13adWolf · 04-24-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BillytK03

I think the bottom line of this thread of what was intended to imply is that Women have many different looks they can do to look good that men just cant do!

Women can look muscular,ripped and sexxy.
women can look lean, toned and sexxy.
women can look lean, skinny arms, flat stomach, sexxy.
women can look firm, average arms, big butt, sexxy.

see my point where I am going with this.......

Now guys on the other hand cant pull these looks off....
just look at my avatar, Im ripped, six pack, toned, vascular, but no size, too hard for me to gain weight and stay lean....... but a girl looks great like that.

women can attain a ripped stomach, thin arms through catabolism.... where as men look like crap that way...........

A women can go to the gym, do a few ab exercises then hit the treadmill for awhile and call it day.... then go home eat a lean protien source with some complex carbs every 3-4 hours, etc.... and attain that lean body if they have the discipline and look friggin' good..... think a guy can do that.... LMAO

I do however understand the women's point of views on how hard it is for gaining lean muscle and looking good if thats whats intended, but getting ripped up and lean without having to worry about maintaining muscle is actually the easiest thing to do IMO and women can and do look good this way where as men dont if they have no size to go along with the ripped mid section...

have you read through any of this thread? the link Jodi posted? anything Trouble posted? sorry...it's no easier for a woman than it is for a man, you are misinformed.

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04-24-2006, 02:48 PM	#43
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	This is all such CRAP! Women got the short of end of the straw: 1. Hormones 2. Menstrual Cycle 3. More VAT for organ protection for pregnancy 4. Slower metabolisms/nutrient partitioning 5. We have to eat a LOT less to lose 6. We can't build muscle like men due to higher estrogen and lower testosterone - again, hormones 7. We have to deal with monthly water retention. 8. We have to due a lot more cardio than most men 9. Our BMR's are much lower Here is an article I just found that might explain some. http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/st...ticle_continue
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04-24-2006, 02:51 PM	#44
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04-24-2006, 03:06 PM	#46
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04-23-2006, 09:17 PM	#31
MyK Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: consumerville! Posts: 10,201 Photos: 1	girls have it so easy, all they have to do is eat clean and they look good. most of them fuck that up though!!!

04-24-2006, 02:32 PM	#39
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Bakerboy cat burglar Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: the city of champions Posts: 4,146 Photos: 3	I think this thread is a good one... In my opinion, both men and woman have it hard if you have unrealistic goals. It seems like the type of women that men on this site drool over are not what most of the woman on this forum desire to look like, or that as a man we see beauty in a variety of shapes and sizes... I think our society is obsessed with presenting women as week and skinny, instead as strong and confident... So many skinny fat chicks...(powerless) We need more respect for each other, and to do that we need to not look at each other like objects... Women, post a picture of a woman that you feel is close to your ideal, someone you think has a nice shape and size. I do agree that women bodybuilders in general face a few more obstacles (training wise) (see Jodi's list) when trying to achieve the same goals as men bodybuilders...

04-24-2006, 04:32 PM	#52
BillytK03 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 159 Photos: 2	I read that in a poll everyone (women) want to look like Angelina Jolie... that aint bad!!!! I think the bottom line of this thread of what was intended to imply is that Women have many different looks they can do to look good that men just cant do! Women can look muscular,ripped and sexxy. women can look lean, toned and sexxy. women can look lean, skinny arms, flat stomach, sexxy. women can look firm, average arms, big butt, sexxy. see my point where I am going with this....... Now guys on the other hand cant pull these looks off.... just look at my avatar, Im ripped, six pack, toned, vascular, but no size, too hard for me to gain weight and stay lean....... but a girl looks great like that. women can attain a ripped stomach, thin arms through catabolism.... where as men look like crap that way........... A women can go to the gym, do a few ab exercises then hit the treadmill for awhile and call it day.... then go home eat a lean protien source with some complex carbs every 3-4 hours, etc.... and attain that lean body if they have the discipline and look friggin' good..... think a guy can do that.... LMAO I do however understand the women's point of views on how hard it is for gaining lean muscle and looking good if thats whats intended, but getting ripped up and lean without having to worry about maintaining muscle is actually the easiest thing to do IMO and women can and do look good this way where as men dont if they have no size to go along with the ripped mid section... Last edited by BillytK03 : 04-24-2006 at 04:47 PM.

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