Mike Tuvre, USA

I live in a CA beach town, and it is a fact that most girls can watch what they eat and maybe take walks and look friggin amazing in a bikini. A muscular girl is just icing on the cake (if you like it). Many hot females just have to stay a bit lean and firm. If a guy wants to stay lean and firm he ends up looking like a ballet dancer (like I did years ago). Guys have to kick ass on the weights, diet, and balance the 2 with cutting in summer. I hope women realize how little they need to do to look great. The media only talks about how hard it is for women to get or keep a great body.

Sorry for the rant. I've been cutting for months and it is insanly hard! This is after bulking forever! See what I mean?

Desirea7208

It is very hard for women to do as well.

LexusGS

I see where you're coming from.

Steele20

"It is very hard for women to do as well."

his point is it's easier for women to look hot! So true.

Trouble

Bullshit! Women have higher estrogen levels. We put on fat easier; muscle mass is harder for many to build and maintain (except for those of us with, ahh, insulin to spare, it serving as an excellent anabolic agent when insulin sensitivity is maximized).

The socially proscribed body form for women is still the skinny fat look. The old problem with a lack of a bust a lower body weight has been met with surgical implants for chest and ass.

The skinny-fat look is not healthy. Many women abuse weightloss drugs and stimulants to achieve this look, rather than using adequate nutrient intake and exercise to produce a firm and healthy bodyshape.

With a lower BMR, you won't find many of the skinny-fat women eating and drinking heartily when they go out, unless they exercise OR use other much less healthy measures for weight control - like smoking.

Its a misconception that women have it easier than men when it comes to body shape control.

Steele20

you can't handle the truth!

BritChick

what a load of shit!!!

Squaggleboggin

I'm just curious whether you have experience as a woman trying to lose weight to validate these claims. Many more women who may seem 'hot' really have serious diseases (bolemia, anemia, etc) than men who are equally fit. Either that or the men are very good at hiding it.

Push yourself. Enjoy yourself. Be yourself.
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TJ Cline

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...8&postcount=19 (The "my advice" thread)
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min0 lee

You have to be kidding?
I can bet you that most of those girls you see on the beach are teenagers.....once you hit a certain age.........

TJ Cline

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...88&postcount=1 (The "my advice" thread)
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LexusGS

Relax.

Control yourself.

Trouble

>I'm just curious whether you have experience as a woman trying to lose weight to validate these claims.

I do. I've been the skinny fat type in the past (at 21, 105 lbs at 5'5"). I stayed that way for quite a while, then had a progressively worse time maintaining a low bodymass weight as insulin insensitivity set in in my 30s, due to poor diet, lack of sleep, and stress issues.

Compare that against fitting into the same size clothing (US size 4) at 135 lbs, some 25 yrs later. Big difference in both fat mass and muscle mass.

For men, with significantly higher testosterone production, anabolic and androgenic effects make it substantially easier to attain and retain lean muscle mass and reduced fat mass, far easier than the task of trying to achieve similar percentages of muscle and fat body composition for women of all ages.

>Many more women who may seem 'hot' really have serious diseases (bolemia, anemia, etc) than men who are equally fit.

That, and they abuse weight loss drugs / stims and diuretics.

>Either that or the men are very good at hiding it.

Interesting. With a progressive change in diet and lifestyle over the past decade, and in the younger generations, a proliferation of interest in the so-called "skater physique", you see a lot of pretty lean and non muscular young men.

Wonder how they fare for testosterone production at say, 25 or 30?

themamasan

I think this thread should have said.

"Girls have it easier...financially".


I don't know of a single female that is not fat, but a decent weight and in shape, who spends anywhere close to the amount of money that I do for food.

But, I guess if I were a smaller male, that would be easier on the pocketbook as well.

Age: 31
Height: 6' 6"
Weight: 244lbs

Mike Tuvre, USA

All I meant was that girls look good when they stay firm and don't get fat. I know too many females like this (even over 30). Guys who just do this look lousy. I have excellent willpower with my diet, and I love sports which will keep me firm and toned. If I do this ONLY I will look like crap. If I lift some weights ONLY I will look like crap. If I bulk and get big ONLY I will look like crap without cutting. If I cut too fast, I will look like crap. Sheesh.

min0 lee

You may be on to something.

P-funk

Nobody knows more then min0 lee how hard it is to maintain a nice girlish figure.

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MyK

fat bitchez are more comfy anyway.

min0 lee

themamasan

Yeah, I know what you mean. In the past I had a six pack, well toned, but skinny to the point I looked like shit. Now I am 60 lbs heavier, a good 40lbs of muscle, but the little bit of fat around my waist and belly makes me look bad.

Age: 31
Height: 6' 6"
Weight: 244lbs

SubliminalX

I agree, girls can look hot with comparatively lower effort than men. That's because their "ideal" look is one that is acheived through catabolism. For men, it's the other way around. And in nature, things are broken down easier than they are built up.

But that also means it's easier to find a hot woman and more competition among women. With men, once you get into lifting and eating fairly clean, and with at least average genetics, you'll blow right by 95% of the male population, especially in fat countries like the US and Western Europe.

Squaggleboggin

That was actually directed at the thread starter. I forgot to submit the message and by the time I did, others posted. Sorry if that was confusing, but that wasn't directed at all towards you.

Push yourself. Enjoy yourself. Be yourself.
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JordanMang

I don't think you can really post this unless you've considered this question - Would you rather be a woman or man? I'd much rather have the ability to put on more muscle naturally in 1 year then most women can in 5 years.

MyK

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Bakerboy

Good genetics are always nice too. Some people, (both men and woman) have to work really hard to get the body they want. Other people can get by doing very little, because of their age (if they are younger) and or great genetics.

But I think this thread brings up an interesting point about our expectations of ourselves compared to our expectations of other people. For me, I know I am a lot harder on myself than I am of other people.

To me it's all about looking and feeling healthy, not just obsessing about being super skinny (like many men and woman fall prey to) or super built, just fit. People who look happy with the bodies they inahabit are the one to be jelious of, to me, they are the sexy ones, the ones that aren't obsessed with their image...the ones that don't look like they are trying...

Saying that, I know a woman who has such an amazing toned body (not a skinny fat chick either) and all she does is ride an old single speed around. She is 40 and she looks way hotter than any 20 year old I have seen. She doesn't even realize how hot she is, which is so funny. When I was over at her place, last week, I saw a picture of her father (a very fit, nimble, old man) and then one of her mother (fit and firm too) and I just shook my head. Good genetics can go a long way....

Which makes me think about a great t-shirt I saw on a guy (a pudgy, guy, not fat just not in shape with a little extra cushion around his belly). The shirt said in bold:

"No expectations. No disappointments." So true...

ablc

I'm calling bull on this one. Just based on personal experience, no science.
Just having eaten a can of tuna a day for a couple of months (it's 2.5servings, ya know?), and feeling guilty about the calories I got from toothpaste and mouthwash, because I couldn't figure out what they were, so I couldn't count them, and running 6.5miles/day, to create a 500cal deficit, ya know...because what's an RMR? Just have to run off the tuna and then create the deficit, right?
Repeat over almost two decades, including years before I can remember, and then ask the people on here who know what I lift what I've done since August...see how easy it is for a girl to lose weight vs. get strong.

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Bakerboy

Sorry, too drunk, can't spell. (foreman help me)

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