Advice, Abs, Biceps

**P-funk** · 05-08-2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

yes sir

but i dont really go on dragondoor or get his stuff anymore. They've helped me alot so im done with em.

I don't think Pavel says to add weight to hanging leg raises. I could be wrong here but I have never heard that from him.

GoLdeN M 07 · 05-08-2006, 07:22 PM

no im just saying that to apply intensity so the exercise would be done in low reps. You're not gonna get strong abs in high reps and a strong core=strong body so low reps are the best way to go. I got the whole GTG idea from pavel.

fUnc17 · 05-08-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

I don't think Pavel says to add weight to hanging leg raises. I could be wrong here but I have never heard that from him.

My father has nearly every Pavel book/article printed and in binders (as well as VHS and DVD's). No where does he advocate weighted hanging leg raises. Pavel is very simplistic.

**P-funk** · 05-08-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

no im just saying that to apply intensity so the exercise would be done in low reps. I got the whole GTG idea from pavel.

I wouldn't add weight to hanging leg raises for fear of fucking up my hip flexors.

GoLdeN M 07 · 05-08-2006, 07:24 PM

no im just saying that to apply intensity so the exercise would be done in low reps, pavel didnt say that. You're not gonna get strong abs in high reps and a strong core=strong body so low reps are the best way to go. You can do dragon flags, janda situps, or standing wheel rollouts. I got the whole GTG idea from pavel.

**P-funk** · 05-08-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fUnc17

My father has nearly every Pavel book/article printed and in binders. No where does he advocate weighted hanging leg raises. Pavel is very simplistic.

yea, pavel is very simplistic.

he says a lot of things....and a lot of it makes sense.....I think Golden needs to go back and re-read Pavel's books to get the idea behind it.

**P-funk** · 05-08-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

no im just saying that to apply intensity so the exercise would be done in low reps. You're not gonna get strong abs in high reps and a strong core=strong body so low reps are the best way to go. I got the whole GTG idea from pavel.

the abdominals are stability muscles. that is what they do....when you squat, when you deadlift, when you press things over head (and not do fucking gay lateral raises), your abdominals contract to form a girdle and stabalize the spine.

who the fuck cares if you do crunches or not.....for many people, ab exercises could be a bad idea because they cause excessive amounts of spinal flexion, exposing the disks.

that is why i say the best ab exercises are stability exericses like planks or bird dogs, etc......doing them for extended periods of time (since the deep stabalizers of the spine and postural muscles are predominantly type I fibers). Then take that stability and transfer it to a skill like deadlifting or squatting where your abdominals will gain lots of strength.

GoLdeN M 07 · 05-08-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

the abdominals are stability muscles. that is what they do....when you squat, when you deadlift, when you press things over head (and not do fucking gay lateral raises), your abdominals contract to form a girdle and stabalize the spine.

who the fuck cares if you do crunches or not.....for many people, ab exercises could be a bad idea because they cause excessive amounts of spinal flexion, exposing the disks.

that is why i say the best ab exercises are stability exericses like planks or bird dogs, etc......doing them for extended periods of time (since the deep stabalizers of the spine and postural muscles are predominantly type I fibers). Then take that stability and transfer it to a skill like deadlifting or squatting where your abdominals will gain lots of strength.

Would having strong abs also increase ur bench in anyway? When u have strong abs it becomes the powerhouse of ur body so every muscle in ur body becomes stronger (correct me if im wrong). I tried tensing my abs when benching but it didnt make a differance.

Second, how is military pressing a better lateral delt exercise than side lateral rasies? Side lateral raises target the laterals, military presses use it as synergists and target the front delts.

JordanMang · 05-08-2006, 07:59 PM

Abs do help on benchpress. When you form an arch you're spine is lifting off of bench and you need to take that deep breath and tighten you're body to stabilize your spine, but you naturally do this so I don't know if actually "tensing" them will help but you do use them during benchpress.

**P-funk** · 05-08-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

Would having strong abs also increase ur bench in anyway? When u have strong abs it becomes the powerhouse of ur body so every muscle in ur body becomes stronger (correct me if im wrong). I tried tensing my abs when benching but it didnt make a differance.

Second, how is military pressing a better lateral delt exercise than side lateral rasies? Side lateral raises target the laterals, military presses use it as synergists and target the front delts.

a) having strong abs will increase all of your exercises because you will have better stability.

b) no need to specifically tense your abs. they will contract properly if you have trained them to stabalise and fire when they are supposed to. I do focus on staying tight though on my exercises, especially squats and deadlifts.

c) no exercise is an isolation exercise. it is impossible to isolate just one thing. so, knowing that, why not get the biggest bang for your buck and work as many muscles as possible?

**CowPimp** · 05-08-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

Would having strong abs also increase ur bench in anyway? When u have strong abs it becomes the powerhouse of ur body so every muscle in ur body becomes stronger (correct me if im wrong). I tried tensing my abs when benching but it didnt make a differance.

Second, how is military pressing a better lateral delt exercise than side lateral rasies? Side lateral raises target the laterals, military presses use it as synergists and target the front delts.

In addition to what P said, a strong core will help you transfer the force from your leg drive to your upper extremities.

Also, military pressing doesn't necessarily target the front delts. If you take a wide grip, like most people do, and press on the frontal plane then you could make an argument that the exercise is "targetting" the lateral delts. Below about a 45 degree angle or so on the lateral raise your supraspinatus is doing a lot of the work anyhow.

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JordanMang Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 862	Abs do help on benchpress. When you form an arch you're spine is lifting off of bench and you need to take that deep breath and tighten you're body to stabilize your spine, but you naturally do this so I don't know if actually "tensing" them will help but you do use them during benchpress.
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05-08-2006, 07:22 PM	#122
GoLdeN M 07 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mahwah, NJ Posts: 692	no im just saying that to apply intensity so the exercise would be done in low reps. You're not gonna get strong abs in high reps and a strong core=strong body so low reps are the best way to go. I got the whole GTG idea from pavel.

05-08-2006, 07:24 PM	#125
GoLdeN M 07 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mahwah, NJ Posts: 692	no im just saying that to apply intensity so the exercise would be done in low reps, pavel didnt say that. You're not gonna get strong abs in high reps and a strong core=strong body so low reps are the best way to go. You can do dragon flags, janda situps, or standing wheel rollouts. I got the whole GTG idea from pavel.