I`m in pain....

kuso · 04-26-2002, 08:01 AM

I`m having a bit of trouble with calf workouts....

My gym sux big time, so the only exercises I do for them is on the leg press, and on the smith machine with a step.

Now the problem...other than my gym, is that the past couple of weeks I`ve been getting a strange kind of pins and needles feeling in the back of my left heel, about 2cm up from the floor if standing.

For a variety of reasons today was the first time I`d worked calves in about three weeks so I was ready to blast em, but even just warming up, that pins and needles feeling was there, and as I went up in weight it became more of a stabbing, pulling type of sharp pain when I was going down past flat!?!?!?!?!?!??!

Any ideas what it is, how to prevent it, and what the fuck to do about it??

Rusty · 04-26-2002, 08:03 AM

Sounds like nerve damage.......but I'm no expert.

Fade · 04-26-2002, 08:07 AM

Maybe your achilles tendon is pulled at the attachement point. Just a guess.

Either that or you're just a wuss.

kuso · 04-26-2002, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fade99

Either that or you're just a wuss.

I knew that was coming

STupidly or not, I did manage to finish everything I had planned, just a couple less reps

The funny thing is...about 30minutes later it was fine.......

ponyboy · 04-26-2002, 08:14 AM

Could be achilles tendonitis or some other more severe injury. Usually things like that are the body's way of saying "don't do this anymore." I've seen snapped achilles tendons and they are not fun at all. Go to a physio or athletic therapist and have them take a look at it if you can.

kuso · 04-26-2002, 08:19 AM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Sorry ponyboy, not laughing at you, just that there is no such thing as "physio or athletic therapists" here in Japan...you`ve got your choice of a home doctor, or a hospital doctor....both of which are pretty fucking useless

ponyboy · 04-26-2002, 08:25 AM

Whoops, sorry, didn't realize...

The other posts were right, if it is a tingling sensation it is probably a nerve or an inflammation that is pinching a nerve, either way it is not good. Try icing it down and see if that makes a difference after a workout...if it does then you will know it is an inflammation and not a nerve problem at least.

**dg806** · 04-26-2002, 08:26 AM

No good doctors huh??? I think I would just layoff a while then...try it in a month or two!

seyone · 04-26-2002, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
I think I would just layoff a while then...try it in a month or two!

yeah, all you need is more time to spend on here right.

kuso · 04-26-2002, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by seyone

yeah, all you need is more time to spend on here right.

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!

Hey....don`t tell me your not enjoying my posts

seyone · 04-26-2002, 09:22 AM

lol, I never said I was complaining.

BabyArnold · 04-26-2002, 10:11 AM

you are walking or lifting heavy weight on your heels. You need to focus on lifting and walking, or running on your toesor front pads of your feet.. Your heels are only there for balance. If you put too much poundage on them then you will get some nerve damage, and it can get bad enough to where you will actually lose feeling in your heels. It will come back after proper rest..

ALBOB · 04-26-2002, 10:23 AM

Now that you mention it I have had that. Does your gym have a flat bench you can move under the Smith Machine? If so, bring it over, sit on the end of the bench and lower the bar onto a towel or some other type of pad you've positioned on your knees. Elevate your toes with a stack of 45's and now you can do seated calf raises. If you don't have the mobile type bench just do the same thing with a barbell on a stationary bench. I don't have a clue why, but when I switched to seated calf raises the tingling/pain stopped. You're supposed to do both types anyway to give complete calf development. Good luck.

kuso · 04-26-2002, 10:26 AM

I`ve got the mobile type bench, so I`ll give that a go

I hadn`t even thought of trying that

Thanks a lot

Michael Marx · 04-26-2002, 11:25 AM

You've got tendonitis. The swollen tendon is pinching the nerve. Only time will heal it.

Dr. Pain · 04-26-2002, 12:31 PM

Lot's of good ideas! I would rule out soft tissue inflamation, and look towards nerve impingment (because of Pain immedieately upon return to the exercise!) A possible course of action would be to see a Jin Shin Jitsu specialist (accuppressurist), or an accupunturist, to release the energy blockage in the the area and hasten repair.

Also as mentioned, alternate exercises to recruit the gastrocs and soleus more evenly, also consider reverse calf raises, as they will effectively stretch this area!

Description:

Reverse calf raises develop the front of the lower leg. You shouldn't neglect the front of the lower leg, primarily the tibialis anterior, this separates the inside calf from the outside calf and makes the leg look so much bigger.

implementation: (A) This is basically the same as normal calf raises except you perform them the opposite from the way you'd normally do them. Start by standing with your heels on a block, lower your toes as far as you can, (B) then lift them up, and contract the muscles of the front of your legs really hard. You can do around 20 or 30 repetitions with your own body weight. For increased difficulty, you can hook your toes under a light weight to provide more resistance.

These can also be done with a towel or surgical tubing, for resisitance both postively and negatively!

DP
*

CDWetzelberger · 04-26-2002, 02:11 PM

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kuso
Sorry ponyboy, not laughing at you, just that there is no such thing as "physio or athletic therapists" here in Japan...you`ve got your choice of a home doctor, or a hospital doctor....both of which are pretty fucking useless
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At least you have really nice electronics. And I heard futuristic toilets, Im still trying to figure out what is wrong with the toilets we already have though. Course If your having the same problems as your ICON then maybe you do need one of those.

wanttogetbig · 04-26-2002, 04:17 PM

The reverse calf raise Dr. pain sugested works well. I have used a lot in the past, especially when i used to run a lot. It also prevents shin splints.

A good way i know of to make a weight is to get one of those big #10 coffee cans. fill it with cement and then stick something in the cement you can attach a rope on to. The rope should be a couple feet long.

Let the cement dry, then take some sort of rope and make a loop in it big enough to fit around your toes. then attach the end of the rope to the coffee can, and thats your weight.

Like I said it works well, ever since I've never had a lower leg injury.

If you try spelling the alphabet with your toes, that will help stretch the area too.

kuso · 05-04-2002, 07:12 AM

Well, as you know I was on holidays for the past week so today was my first day back at the gym.

The problem seems to be getting worse

Stretching my left calf at all is impossible, and agonising just trying. And my planned 40min of cardio got cut to exactly 10min 45sec because of the pain...........

SHYT!!! Looks like I need to find me a accuppressurist real quick! Accupunture

not in Japan, where they only have to "wash" the needles

04-26-2002, 08:03 AM	#2
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04-26-2002, 08:01 AM	#1
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	I`m in pain.... BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com I`m having a bit of trouble with calf workouts.... My gym sux big time, so the only exercises I do for them is on the leg press, and on the smith machine with a step. Now the problem...other than my gym, is that the past couple of weeks I`ve been getting a strange kind of pins and needles feeling in the back of my left heel, about 2cm up from the floor if standing. For a variety of reasons today was the first time I`d worked calves in about three weeks so I was ready to blast em, but even just warming up, that pins and needles feeling was there, and as I went up in weight it became more of a stabbing, pulling type of sharp pain when I was going down past flat!?!?!?!?!?!??! Any ideas what it is, how to prevent it, and what the fuck to do about it??

04-26-2002, 08:07 AM	#3
Fade I'm the daddy Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 3,007 Photos: 5	Maybe your achilles tendon is pulled at the attachement point. Just a guess. Either that or you're just a wuss.

04-26-2002, 08:14 AM	#5
ponyboy Training Trainer Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Running around somewhere Posts: 2,608 Photos: 1	Could be achilles tendonitis or some other more severe injury. Usually things like that are the body's way of saying "don't do this anymore." I've seen snapped achilles tendons and they are not fun at all. Go to a physio or athletic therapist and have them take a look at it if you can.

04-26-2002, 08:19 AM	#6
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	BWAHAHAHAHAHA Sorry ponyboy, not laughing at you, just that there is no such thing as "physio or athletic therapists" here in Japan...you`ve got your choice of a home doctor, or a hospital doctor....both of which are pretty fucking useless

04-26-2002, 08:25 AM	#7
ponyboy Training Trainer Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Running around somewhere Posts: 2,608 Photos: 1	Whoops, sorry, didn't realize... The other posts were right, if it is a tingling sensation it is probably a nerve or an inflammation that is pinching a nerve, either way it is not good. Try icing it down and see if that makes a difference after a workout...if it does then you will know it is an inflammation and not a nerve problem at least.

04-26-2002, 10:11 AM	#12
BabyArnold Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 260	you are walking or lifting heavy weight on your heels. You need to focus on lifting and walking, or running on your toesor front pads of your feet.. Your heels are only there for balance. If you put too much poundage on them then you will get some nerve damage, and it can get bad enough to where you will actually lose feeling in your heels. It will come back after proper rest..

04-26-2002, 10:26 AM	#14
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	I`ve got the mobile type bench, so I`ll give that a go I hadn`t even thought of trying that Thanks a lot

04-26-2002, 11:25 AM	#15
Michael Marx Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 15	You've got tendonitis. The swollen tendon is pinching the nerve. Only time will heal it.

04-26-2002, 12:31 PM	#16
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Lot's of good ideas! I would rule out soft tissue inflamation, and look towards nerve impingment (because of Pain immedieately upon return to the exercise!) A possible course of action would be to see a Jin Shin Jitsu specialist (accuppressurist), or an accupunturist, to release the energy blockage in the the area and hasten repair. Also as mentioned, alternate exercises to recruit the gastrocs and soleus more evenly, also consider reverse calf raises, as they will effectively stretch this area! Description: Reverse calf raises develop the front of the lower leg. You shouldn't neglect the front of the lower leg, primarily the tibialis anterior, this separates the inside calf from the outside calf and makes the leg look so much bigger. implementation: (A) This is basically the same as normal calf raises except you perform them the opposite from the way you'd normally do them. Start by standing with your heels on a block, lower your toes as far as you can, (B) then lift them up, and contract the muscles of the front of your legs really hard. You can do around 20 or 30 repetitions with your own body weight. For increased difficulty, you can hook your toes under a light weight to provide more resistance. These can also be done with a towel or surgical tubing, for resisitance both postively and negatively! DP *

04-26-2002, 02:11 PM	#17
CDWetzelberger Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: louisville Posts: 26	-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kuso Sorry ponyboy, not laughing at you, just that there is no such thing as "physio or athletic therapists" here in Japan...you`ve got your choice of a home doctor, or a hospital doctor....both of which are pretty fucking useless ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ At least you have really nice electronics. And I heard futuristic toilets, Im still trying to figure out what is wrong with the toilets we already have though. Course If your having the same problems as your ICON then maybe you do need one of those.

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04-26-2002, 04:17 PM	#18
wanttogetbig college dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: grand forks nd Posts: 12	The reverse calf raise Dr. pain sugested works well. I have used a lot in the past, especially when i used to run a lot. It also prevents shin splints. A good way i know of to make a weight is to get one of those big #10 coffee cans. fill it with cement and then stick something in the cement you can attach a rope on to. The rope should be a couple feet long. Let the cement dry, then take some sort of rope and make a loop in it big enough to fit around your toes. then attach the end of the rope to the coffee can, and thats your weight. Like I said it works well, ever since I've never had a lower leg injury. If you try spelling the alphabet with your toes, that will help stretch the area too.

05-04-2002, 07:12 AM	#19
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	Well, as you know I was on holidays for the past week so today was my first day back at the gym. The problem seems to be getting worse Stretching my left calf at all is impossible, and agonising just trying. And my planned 40min of cardio got cut to exactly 10min 45sec because of the pain........... SHYT!!! Looks like I need to find me a accuppressurist real quick! Accupunture not in Japan, where they only have to "wash" the needles