rks1969

I just got the new Ironman & was reading the article about Mike Mentzer putting Dorian Yates thru some workouts using the Heavy Duty system.What do you guys/gals think of this approach??Would/have you used it??

YOU CAN SPEND YOUR TIME ANY WAY YOU WANT ,BUT YOU CAN SPEND IT ONLY ONCE.
MAKE IT WORTH IT!!!!!!

mick01

I haven’t seen the article but I have read his books.

IMO if you have the mental capacity to handle training to REAL concentric failure its the best way to go.

I will train in no other way.

Most people say they train intensely and to muscular failure. ITS CRAP! You can train hard or you can train long you cant do both.

Good Luck, Train Hard
Mick

To refuse to learn anything that could prove beneficial to yourself is a working definition of stupid!

High-intensity training is going all-out, not almost all out. It is taking one set to one's absolute limit, not almost to the limit. It is using whatever equipment’s available. It is not the words of two or three men, but a commitment to work as hard as possible while in the gym without socializing, resting excessively between sets, or falling prey to the 'this isn't going to work so I'll copy the star' attitude"

mick01

Oh I forgot to answer your question.

For me its the best/only way to train!

Mick

To refuse to learn anything that could prove beneficial to yourself is a working definition of stupid!

High-intensity training is going all-out, not almost all out. It is taking one set to one's absolute limit, not almost to the limit. It is using whatever equipment’s available. It is not the words of two or three men, but a commitment to work as hard as possible while in the gym without socializing, resting excessively between sets, or falling prey to the 'this isn't going to work so I'll copy the star' attitude"

kuso

LMAO!!! I new mick`d be the first to answer this

mick01

I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT MY BROTHER!

I NOW KNOW THE WAY TO THE KINGDOM OF BIG QUADS!

Yes a converted HIT zealot through and through.

Mick

To refuse to learn anything that could prove beneficial to yourself is a working definition of stupid!

High-intensity training is going all-out, not almost all out. It is taking one set to one's absolute limit, not almost to the limit. It is using whatever equipment’s available. It is not the words of two or three men, but a commitment to work as hard as possible while in the gym without socializing, resting excessively between sets, or falling prey to the 'this isn't going to work so I'll copy the star' attitude"

irnmnps

I trained some with Mike in Venice - hitt is something you have to be in shape for - injuries are a risk - once you start the process - it has a life of its own - and my body told me when enough was enough

Fade

It requires too many sets.

Preacher

I think I haven't got the basic strength/tendons to support that kind of punishment yet ... Will try it in a few years from now.
From what I've heard (and seen in the gym) you can really expect
some great results from it (even if most of them are short-term)

Besides .. Aren't they dead (both of them) ?

mick01

Some of you need to do a little more research into Mentzer's methods and what real HIT training is.

There is nothing short term about it! I've been training with very low volume and all the intensity I am capable of generating for almost 2 years. No injuries, and some of the nagging old stuff like tendonitis is gone.

You will not injure tendons or joints on the program. Most weight training tendon injuries come from over use. A joint injury may come from poor form. All programs low or high volume, have a certain injury potential.

So,,what is soooooo dangerous about it??????



I’m bigger and stronger than ever.
Mick

To refuse to learn anything that could prove beneficial to yourself is a working definition of stupid!

High-intensity training is going all-out, not almost all out. It is taking one set to one's absolute limit, not almost to the limit. It is using whatever equipment’s available. It is not the words of two or three men, but a commitment to work as hard as possible while in the gym without socializing, resting excessively between sets, or falling prey to the 'this isn't going to work so I'll copy the star' attitude"

Triple Threat

Don't let the HITers see your Power Matrix training log, Fade. They'd sh*t a brick.

CDWetzelberger

I think HIT is great. Not to say volume training is bad or it doesn't produce results because it clearly does. The main thing is to work the basic exercises (squat or deadlift, OH press, weighted Dips or bench, Row, Pull down or weighted pull up) with progressive intensity. I think if your doing that you can follow either training philosophy and see good gains. I’m still not convinced that one method is right and the other is wrong. But for most natural trainees to much volume encourages them to hold back on some sets in order to complete the number of sets or reps they have planed. For me one all out intense set near my max lift has always been better then many sets of the same exercise where I hold back to complete my set/rep goal.

mick01

Don’t interpret HIT as a certain number of reps per set or exercise. In Mentzer's HD2 he prescribes 6-10 reps for most exercises, lower for some compound movements following a pre-exhaust. For legs he suggests higher reps.

IMO high reps from time to time are imperative to any program. I just recently completed 3 weeks of 50 rep squat training!!! I picked a weight that I could get 20-25 reps at failure then rested 15 seconds and went again and continued this until I hit 50. The whole workout only took about 4-5 min. Even then I was hitting failure each time. My spotters would have to pick it up off the pins and re rack it. But I definitely reevaluated what my 20 rep max is.

With only a few exceptions I am currently following Mike's program, as it is tailored to bodybuilding. (Next show is Sept 28th) Although most HIT advocates are not BB's. I have been told by other HIT'ers that I cant BB on such low volume. Currently I’m 218 and 11% (no cardio). We shall see.

But there is much more to HIT than Mike or Dorian. There are no set rules. Just work hard not long. Because you cant do both.

Check out HIT . Tons of great info! I really like the stuff by Dr. Ken.

Good Luck, Train Hard
Mick

To refuse to learn anything that could prove beneficial to yourself is a working definition of stupid!

High-intensity training is going all-out, not almost all out. It is taking one set to one's absolute limit, not almost to the limit. It is using whatever equipment’s available. It is not the words of two or three men, but a commitment to work as hard as possible while in the gym without socializing, resting excessively between sets, or falling prey to the 'this isn't going to work so I'll copy the star' attitude"

mick01

I'll go check it out..............

To refuse to learn anything that could prove beneficial to yourself is a working definition of stupid!

High-intensity training is going all-out, not almost all out. It is taking one set to one's absolute limit, not almost to the limit. It is using whatever equipment’s available. It is not the words of two or three men, but a commitment to work as hard as possible while in the gym without socializing, resting excessively between sets, or falling prey to the 'this isn't going to work so I'll copy the star' attitude"

mick01

I checked out Fade's journal. Looks like a solid program. Something you may see many trainers do. In the past when I practiced volume training I trained in a very similar fashion.

Why would I Shit the proverbial brick?????

Mick

To refuse to learn anything that could prove beneficial to yourself is a working definition of stupid!

High-intensity training is going all-out, not almost all out. It is taking one set to one's absolute limit, not almost to the limit. It is using whatever equipment’s available. It is not the words of two or three men, but a commitment to work as hard as possible while in the gym without socializing, resting excessively between sets, or falling prey to the 'this isn't going to work so I'll copy the star' attitude"

LittLe FraNk

everyone talks about intense training what if your 8-10hr a day job is strictly slave labor work with 45 min lunch and then still lift waits 30-60 mins after ward every other day

LittLe FraNk

LittLe FraNk

so i consider my job as my hi rep hi set workouts right...
and i lift to failure i should Blow up right....
while working i rotate arms and stuff i try to keep it symetric or whatever like wiht dumbell curls one arm then the same in other arm rotate 10 shovels 10 shovels sets lol hi sets

LittLe FraNk

cornfed

Wait a sec... what 10hrs do you work. You're 15? Are you in school?

- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too."
"...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?"
--- Zakk Wylde ---
---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

cornfed

Oh, and it doesn't mean a thing. All last year I worked man. Laybor and pulled off HV/HI training afterward. Makes it an obstacle, but not impossible.

- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too."
"...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?"
--- Zakk Wylde ---
---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

Fade

Yeah, When I worked industrial construction we worked 10 hour days and I made it to the gym no problem. Did that for three years.

cornfed

LOL, gotta luv it, right Fade? Worked mainly on the farm (all the crap mechanical and manual work) and a bit for a pool builder(holy crap, respect that work! ).

- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too."
"...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?"
--- Zakk Wylde ---
---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

Fade

Yep. I was my leanest then.

cornfed

Yeah, if I hadn't sworn never to work in the bottom of a south Tx pool, it'd be great for cutting up and no worries about bloat LOL

- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too."
"...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?"
--- Zakk Wylde ---
---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

ragingbull

I've tried it both ways...proper form almost to failure and to complete failure and my last rep as a cheat. I find that going to complete failure gives me the best gains and the most burn.

Striving everyday to getting Bigger, Better, and Better Looking. The later is a struggle.

LittLe FraNk

bro i didnt say im a pussy and after work i can lift anything...
i said should i still train as hard as normal after work or not since
im trying to build mass ?? or how should i train just power sets
since i get hi rep and lots of walking during day??

LittLe FraNk

LittLe FraNk

yes im 15 yrs old ive been working weekends since i was 12 and
since i was 15 ive been working 8-10hr days im dropped out of school ..... i run loaders,bobcats and lots of physcial labor...
and i build pc's ...

LittLe FraNk

Fade

Curious. Why did you drop out?

LittLe FraNk

k ty bro
so ill jsut train intensely but i wont do it so intense any more ty
like u said we aint machines

LittLe FraNk