Primordialperformance.com


Periodization

Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: Periodization

  1. #1
    Registered User

    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    67
    Rep Points
    10

    Periodization

    How long should each mesocycle be?
    By that I mean how long should one stay in a particular phase of rep-weight ratio before moving forward.
    I thought it was only one week per stage, but I've read up to four are practiced, is there an upper or lower limit to this figure for effectivness
    or is there a range with different effects for each based on desired outcome?
    Cowpimp I know you want to be all over this one.

  2. #2
    Moderator
    MODERATOR

    Dale Mabry's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Elsewhere
    Posts
    15,180
    Rep Points
    122054778


    Depends what your goals are and where you are at. It also depends on which type of periodization you are using.
    If sense were common, everyone would have it.

    4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

  3. #3
    Patrick
    ELITE MEMBER

    P-funk's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    AZ
    Posts
    31,754
    Rep Points
    2298749

    like Dale said. it depends.

    I like to look at things in 4 week blocks for a few reasons:

    1) it lays well over a month
    2) it allows you to check progress in a short but resonable period of time.
    3) planning large mesocycles (12-16 weeks) IMO is stupid because it is virtually impossible to plan where you would be at that time. With 4 weeks you can train, see how you are doing, re-test, re-asses, and then decide if another 4 weeks is going to be beneficial.
    Optimum Sports Performance

    "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few."
    -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

  4. #4
    Registered User

    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    67
    Rep Points
    10

    so say...4 weeks using 60% 1rm at 5sets of 10....or 4weeks for the whole entire cycle?

  5. #5
    Moderator
    MODERATOR

    Dale Mabry's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Elsewhere
    Posts
    15,180
    Rep Points
    122054778


    I certainly wouldn't spend 4 weeks doing that unless you had super low RI and were going for endurance, and if that were the case, I would up the reps to 12-15.
    If sense were common, everyone would have it.

    4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

  6. #6
    Patrick
    ELITE MEMBER

    P-funk's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    AZ
    Posts
    31,754
    Rep Points
    2298749

    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
    I certainly wouldn't spend 4 weeks doing that unless you had super low RI and were going for endurance, and if that were the case, I would up the reps to 12-15.

    I agree.

    At that low of intensity you are going to end up de-training yourself. Maybe 2 weeks at 60% to unload a little bit but no more then that.

    On a side note, it is rare that I spend an entire mesocycle using just one intensity. Typically my programs are based on undulating periodization or conjugate periodization (a concentrated block of loading for one biometer while others are trained at retention) or concurrent periodization (a training cycle focused on brining up 2 or more biometers at the same time).
    Optimum Sports Performance

    "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few."
    -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

  7. #7
    Fueled by Testosterone
    MODERATOR

    CowPimp's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Silver Spring, MD
    Posts
    16,086
    Rep Points
    6502699

    Quote Originally Posted by P-funk
    On a side note, it is rare that I spend an entire mesocycle using just one intensity. Typically my programs are based on undulating periodization or conjugate periodization (a concentrated block of loading for one biometer while others are trained at retention) or concurrent periodization (a training cycle focused on brining up 2 or more biometers at the same time).
    I have also been using this type of periodization for a while with nothing but positive results. I think people should definitely alter volume and intensity more frequently than they do.

    I see no real reason to stay at one intensity longer than a couple of weeks regardless of your goals. Even if endurance is your goal, for example, you will want to force neural adaptations (Heavy training) so that your body moves more efficiently and movement economy is improved.
    The only time it's bad to feel the burn is when you're peeing...

    CowPimp Chews Cud - My Journal
    1RM Videos

  8. #8
    Registered User

    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    67
    Rep Points
    10

    thanks for all that. I thought 4 weeks was long. Im gonna stick to one week per meso. Whats a biometer?

  9. #9
    Patrick
    ELITE MEMBER

    P-funk's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    AZ
    Posts
    31,754
    Rep Points
    2298749

    one week meso cycles are short.
    Optimum Sports Performance

    "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few."
    -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

  10. #10
    Moderator
    MODERATOR

    Dale Mabry's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Elsewhere
    Posts
    15,180
    Rep Points
    122054778


    It's messed up, because everyone defines meso, micro, and macrocycles differently.
    If sense were common, everyone would have it.

    4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

  11. #11
    Patrick
    ELITE MEMBER

    P-funk's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    AZ
    Posts
    31,754
    Rep Points
    2298749

    micro- the smallest component of a training cycle. Could be a day, or a week.

    meso cycle- a group of micro cycles...could be 3 weeks, 12 weeks, 16 weeks, 24 weeks, etc...

    macrocycle- the largest component of a training cycle usually spanning the entire year, or competitive season or group of years leading up to a specific event (ie the olympics).
    Optimum Sports Performance

    "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few."
    -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

  12. #12
    Registered User

    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    67
    Rep Points
    10

    for me mesocycle will be the length I stay at a certain %-rep scheme before advancing...again whats a biometer

  13. #13
    Patrick
    ELITE MEMBER

    P-funk's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    AZ
    Posts
    31,754
    Rep Points
    2298749

    a biometer is the different catergories of energy output....like strength, power, endurance.
    Optimum Sports Performance

    "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few."
    -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

Similar Threads

  1. Looking for help with periodization
    By CaptainNapalm in forum Training
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 05-08-2010, 11:43 AM
  2. periodization
    By beginnerbb in forum Training
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 04-12-2010, 11:08 PM
  3. periodization
    By dantheman144 in forum Training
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 12-02-2008, 04:44 PM
  4. Periodization
    By chico1st in forum Training
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 07-09-2006, 07:57 PM
  5. periodization
    By assassin in forum Training
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 06-10-2006, 08:37 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  


DISCLAIMER:
All health, fitness, diet, nutrition & supplement information presented on IronMagazineForums.com's pages is intended as an educational resource and is not intended as a substitute for proper medical advice. We do not condone the use of anabolic steroids (AAS), all information about AAS is for educational and entertainment purposes only. Consult your physician or health care professional before performing any of the exercises, or following any diet, nutrition or supplement advice described on this website. As well as any exercise technique or regimen, diet, supplement, etc., particularly if you are pregnant or nursing, or if you are elderly or have chronic or recurring medical conditions. Discontinue any exercise that causes you pain or severe discomfort and consult a medical expert. The statements made about products have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration (U.S.). They are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any condition or disease. Please consult with your own physician or health care practitioner regarding the suggestions and recommendations made at IronMagazineForums.com. Neither the author of the information, nor the producer, nor distributors of such information make any warranty of any kind in regard to the content of the information presented on this website. Except as specifically stated on this site, neither IronMagazineForums.com, nor any of its authors or other representatives will be liable for damages arising out of, or in connection with the use of this site. This is a comprehensive limitation of liability that applies to all damages of any kind, including (without limitation) compensatory, direct, indirect or consequential damages, loss of data, income or profit, loss of or damage to property and claims of third parties. Sponsors pay for advertising space, we have no affiliation with the companies that have banners displayed on our websites. Please be advised it is your responsibility to check the laws that govern your country, state, or province in regards to items offered by some companies you may read about on this site.