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08-05-2006, 08:53 PM
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Question on military press and pullup
1) would leaning back literally a few inches when doing db military or arnold presses hit the shoulders more in any way? honestly i really do not feel any tension on my side delts when doing them, just all on the front delts so i dont think pressing with the dumbells on the side of ur head the whole time is such a good idea. Im not at home right now so im asking, and i tried pressing with some books while slightly leaning back and felt much more tension there.
And im doing oh presses to hit the traps to not just alll about the delts. 2) which grip is better for increasing back thickness and mass when doing pullups/chinups because thats basically what im going for right now: an overhand ,underhand, or hammer/parrelel grip (where the bar is going front to back of u and can do side-to-side pullups with) |
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08-05-2006, 08:59 PM
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Back Home In SOCAL
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Military press stresses the entire shoulder girdle, I wouldnt worry too much about angles and what not until your a very advanced bodybuilder.
as far as back grip goes, use a wide variety.... nothing wrong with changing things up from time to time. |
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08-06-2006, 09:51 AM
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wide grip for lats
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08-06-2006, 03:19 PM
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Stay puffed, baby.
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Wide grip? The wider grip the fewer degrees of rotation you can perform. I'd go medium to close. Also use an underhanded grip, not an overhanded. And the partially supinated "hammer" style chinups allow, as far as I'm aware, for better leverage.
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08-06-2006, 04:26 PM
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as far as pull-ups go... mass will be gained either way but your lats get much wider with a wide grip. Hammer style grips will build more of the biceps and shoulders than your back. A good in between is a wide grip with your palms facing you.
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08-06-2006, 07:58 PM
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Stay puffed, baby.
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"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."
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08-06-2006, 08:02 PM
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08-06-2006, 08:19 PM
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hows it silly?
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08-06-2006, 08:26 PM
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08-06-2006, 08:28 PM
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the wider the grip, the harder it is. Anyone can do 10 underhand closgrip hitting the bi's. But can U do 10 overhand widegrip's without your thumb, and pulling till the bar hits your chest? it's all about the lats dude....my favorite muscle!! |
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08-06-2006, 08:35 PM
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the wider the rip the less ROM you have. The wider the grip the greater the strain you place on the shoulder joint. Medium grip all the way.....that is how I teach it. |
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08-06-2006, 09:07 PM
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08-06-2006, 09:23 PM
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ok well has anyone here tried cg pullups (underhand grip)? Im pretty sure it places a hell of tension on ur back. And since i have just been told that wg pullups can place strain on the rotator cuff and i dont really enjoy doing medium grip, would it be good for the long run?
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08-06-2006, 09:32 PM
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neutral grip pull ups
underhand grip chin ups and medium grip pull ups are a great exercise (just because you don't like them is no excuse not to do them!) |
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08-07-2006, 03:35 AM
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Stay puffed, baby.
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08-07-2006, 03:36 AM
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"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."
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08-07-2006, 09:55 AM
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I am Rollo Tomassee..
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Ive done all variations. Wide grips mostly. Ill start doing Mediums more often. Weighted of course.
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08-07-2006, 10:04 AM
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