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Join Date: Feb 2006
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how to become a personal trainer
hi guys and im sorry if im asking this i been working out fro almost 2 years now and i really like to know how to become a personal trainer and a nutritionist if anybody know can someone explain to me step by step how to do this and if it cost money and how much well i want to know everything about it i would use the help thank u
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Fueled by Testosterone
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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Beyond all of my extracirricular learning I did, I just bought the textbook and registered for the exam. Differente organizations have different requirements regarding what you need to be eligible to take the exam. Costs also vary. I would look int NASM, ACSM, and NSCA. I have an NSCA-CPT certification, and I was pleased with the process cost wise and information wise.
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Patrick
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: AZ
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do a a search. that has been discussed in length many many times here.
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http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind!
http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book |
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2006
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thats all u need to become a trainer i tho i was harder than that so cowpimp u a trainer already
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Patrick
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: AZ
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becoming a trainer is not hard.
being a good trainer and getting and maintaining business is. the last thing the world needs is another shitty trainer. |
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http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind!
http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book |
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Magical Apelikemenace
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Fueled by Testosterone
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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Yes, I'm a trainer. I've been one a little under 6 months, so I'm not as experienced as some others on this board. However, I do try to make sure I know my trade. As P said, becoming a trainer isn't too hard. There are lots of shitty trainers that you couldn't differentiate from your average gym meathead, but being a good trainer that knows how to spot improper motor patterns, understands anatomy, can help alleviate common postural/orthopedic issues, etc. is hard to come by.
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The Damned
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: birmingham alabama
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Lord knows I can't yet. In the environment I'm in, all I need to do is make people sweat and help them lose weight though.. There's one guy at my studio who wants to gain weight and get bigger and I don't train him most of the time (big mistake) |
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Patrick
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that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be assessing clients, trying to fix improper movement patterns and working on helping improve their movement quality AS WELL AS helping them lose weight. it is statments like that which make me hate trainers. it is statements like that which make me NOT call myself a trainer anymore. That statments embodies what it means to be a fucking moron trainer at any of these chain gyms, barking orders at someone to "pump out a few more reps" and "feel the burn". In most instances you are setting that person back from reaching the ultimate goal, which is overal better health and wellness.....most often those people end up getting hurt because you let poor movement quality go un-fixed in an effort to "sweat it out". make me want to fucking puke. |
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http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind!
http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book |
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The Damned
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Location: birmingham alabama
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Most of my clients are coming from a very sedentary lifestyle and any form of activity contributes largely to improved overall health and wellness. And I do have their best interests in mind. And I do my best to taylor programs to fit their needs. I don't just let them do whatever the fuck they want to. I observe and correct form as much as possible...otherwise I'd just be standing there bored. Damn man, that was one discouraging post. |
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Patrick
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I understand and the post was not meant to be discouraging. People who are very overweight and coming from a sedentary lifestyle NEED a lot more then just basic exercises....sometimes it is knowing which exercises they need and which they don't and how much of one thing and how little of another. My post was written out of anger for the industry. Things like "I just make people sweat" anger the shit out of me because that is the training philosophy that 95% of all trainers follow. it gives the industry a bad name and it discredits the few of us that are trying to make this a "credible" professional......in most cases, personal trainers are a "joke" of the health field. It is going to take a lot of education and push to make it what it is. A good trainer should be a professional. Re-word your training philosophy to something that sounds more professional and it wont be met with such restraint. I am all for education and learning and trying to improve and advance (otherwise I wouldn't be finishing up my Masters in Exercise Science). even when I started out as a young trainer, I tried to learn and absorb everythign that I could from those that were more experienced then I (like you are trying to do).....but, i would never have a trainer philosophy that discredited the position of trainer like you just exampled. Try and make is something like "I am commited to working with my clients to assess their current quality of life so that we can make the necessary changes to enhance their future health and wellness." Sometime like that....blah blah. |
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http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind!
http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book |
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The Damned
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*runs off to write new mission statement* |
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Patrick
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Join Date: Dec 2002
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the more professional you are, the more clients will want to work with you. when i started traning people i was a terrible business man. I had no sales skills what so ever. I would just walk the floor at the gym and try and figure out how to get clients. But, the thing that I did have was that I understood my functional anatomy and how things worked. Once a person asked me a questions, I helped them in a professional way and the product sold itself. I didn't have to ask for money. they were ready to sign up and pay! the more professional you are the better of you will be. the guys at world gym are shitty trainers (and all of them have NASM certifictations) because: a) despite the certification, they didn't know how to take the information and apply it properly. and b) they didn't care to apply it properly. to them, traininer was about making people sweat. I cringe everytime I see the fucking jackass with this woman who is 60lbs overweight, standing on a bosu ball, doing DB curls with 10lb Dbs, and him saying "I want you to really feel the burn! I want you to pump out 15 reps, and if you get to 15 and it is easy, then go to 20. We want that burn."........ don't associate yourself with that crowd! You are on the right path! Make yourself out to be the real deal! |
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http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind!
http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book |
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Anti-mediocrity
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Steady-on there, mates. The two of you crossed wires.
PW meant that all his clients want and expect is to loose weight. Patrick and I are of the fervent opinion that these overweight individuals will make temporary progress at best. Clients, their families and friends will have generally unhealthy lifestyles. We both work hard to encourage a wholistic (deliberate misspelling), with a life-long shift in attitude towards health and wellness conscious behaviors. However, the truth remains: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink - even if you can deliver, as promised, a life largely free of the risks and burdens of chronic illness. You can't fucking buy that...and yet, each of us have these clients, who stubbornly hold to the opinion that a little cardio, sweat, and resistance training is "good enough". We see other trainers clients who fail to make any progress at all over a year or more. The trainer fails to understand the clients foiables and the client refuses to push any harder than is minimally necessary. Worse...how frustrating, when I am advising intelligent men, to have them look me in the eye, and say "I don't have excess stress, its a myth", after they have finished describing a 10-hour work day, with one 20 min break, and a 6-hr sleep habit, that starts at midnight... When such men tell me, they want that spark of fire and joy back in their life, I must fight the urge to reach forward, grab their shoulders, put my face one inch from theirs, and tell them in a cool, collected voice to wake up and listen to me, instead of their foolish inner voices spewing the same self-defeating logic. They never have enough time, they are always tired, and they hate exercise... But of course, one can't always say what needs saying.. Patience is a virtue. Last edited by Trouble : 08-20-2006 at 06:08 PM. |
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Fueled by Testosterone
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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The biggest issues I see with trainers throughout:
They severely limit the inclusion of lower body exercises into their client's programs, and a lot of them don't use nearly enough exercises for the posterior chain. This is the opposite of what I should be seeing. Most of these people sit on their asses 10-12 hours a day, and they need to make their asses stronger and less inhibited, plain and simple. 2 inch leg presses and leg curls aren't going to cut it. Too much goddamned pressing. Hello, can't you see that your client has a fucking hunchback!? Do you really think 2 different bench pressing variations every single workout is a good idea? Jesus. Even if they didn't look like Quasi Modo, they don't have the scapular control to keep themselves stable during a bench press anyway. Oh, they have shoulder impingment syndrome too? Really? Surprise surprise. How about you stop making the imbalance even worse. No flexibility training or soft tissue work. Again, your client hasn't even thought about exercising the entire 40 years of their lives, they've worked a sedentary job the past 20, and you think this isn't integral? No wonder they walk around like they're about to fall over. They're fucking leaning forward all day, they can't keep stable because their lower body stabilizing musculature is all inhibited from tight muscles throughout, their lower backs hurt because of a jacked up spinal curve and various mobility issues, etc. Dynamic flexibility training and static stretching needs to be a part of a lot of these people's training programs, even if you are just hitting a couple of weak points. Foam rolling is SO effective too. Everyone I have that trains 3 days a week and rolls every time loves that thing now. Training women without weights. Women benefit from resistance training just like a man does. Doing everything on a stability ball and for nothing heavier than an easy 12 repetitions is just stupid. Women generally need to work on upper body strength more than men too; doing 3 sets of 15 bicep curls won't do. Using unstable surfaces as a beginner exercise, not a progression. Goddammit, why are you having your client squat on a BOSU before they know how to squat on the ground. Do you notice their knees buckling? Do you realize they are exhibiting anterior weight bearing? Their hip flexors are too tight and they are leaning forward like they're trying to kiss the floor, did you realize? Morons. End rant. Sorry. |
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 46
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hey guys sorry if im asking this but anybody heard of the AFPA Certification if any of u did is it good
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Patrick
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: AZ
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I have heard of it before. But, I don't know anyone that has it and I have never heard of a gym asking for it as a certification.
Best thing to do is call gyms in your area and see which certs they take. otherwise you are going to waste time and money getting something that can't land you a job. If you want something that is respected pretty much where ever you go, you can't go wrong with certs from either the NSCA or NASM. |
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http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind!
http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book |
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There are a lot of trainers at my home gym who are in their mid twenties to mid thirties and they don't seem to have a clue. What surprises me is that whenever i am there lifting or if anyone else that has a clue how to train properly (like we all do), the trainers seem to be a little aware and sometimes get a little worried about what we'll think. They constantly look over at me and try to like being in sight so i can't see what they are doing (you know what i mean?). They are having their clients do curls or quarter leg presses while me or someone else are doing deadlifts or ATG squats. I have overheard a client asking his trainer one day say "what is that movement he is doing. Isn't he going to hurt his back doing that?" (while i was doing deadlifts) and the trainer flat out said "it's an exercise for advanced people and i don't think you're ready for it since you need to learn the basics" .. something like that.
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The Damned
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: birmingham alabama
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My boss gets straight up PISSED sometimes when I question his training methods (they are stupid) Example: he does body part splits....that's just a start, he's training a guy I know who actually wants to get bigger, and when he does say back and bi's he'll do 3 exercises for bi's...with all kinds of forced reps and negatives...for bi's.... .... And grouped in with the back work would be good mornings and reverse flies, shit like that....maybe 1 row and 1 vertical pulling movement. So I look like the jackass last week when I go to train him on leg day and have him do say deadlifts or good mornings...guy looks at me and says "this is a back exercise." WTF am I sposed to say "My boss is a dipshit"??? Then a couple days later when my boss can't be there and I gotta train him again for "shoulder" day I throw in some reverse flies for rear delt work and again "this is a back exercise" So shiznit, imagine having to answer to those trainers at your gym.... |
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Pizza the Hut
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Some people do rear delts on back day, especially with rowing already getting them warmed up.
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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You know what - when I was a beginner, I sure as heck wished my trainer gave me proper nutrition information...I was overweight and while weights came easily ( I'm naturally strong) my diet was crap and I knew nothing of proper diet.
-I thought carbs meant 'bread' -I thought only paistries could make me fat (so I'd drink gallons of grape juice, eat sugary cereals like there was no tomorrow, etc. -knew nothing of protein consumption or foods that provided ample amounts This is the reason why i started out lifting seriously as a 'fat muscular' guy. Then the internet came around, sites like this started popping up around my sophmore year in college, and viola- all that changed. Why do trainers only focus on weights with overweight people and barely even touch nutrition? Especially when the guy/girl is trying to lose weight?? That's like 90% of the battle! IS it because of ignorance? |
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