Pelvis

mike456 · 09-07-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

yea, i know 15yr olds like you. i train some of them in the gym.

yes, you need to loose weight to take pressure of your knees and ankles! that is the problem with running at your weight.

yea I am workin on it down to 225.

mike456 · 09-07-2006, 10:18 AM

when I do a plank, I am never naturally straight, I have to tucken and tighten up my glutes to appear straight

**P-funk** · 09-07-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mike456

when I do a plank, I am never naturally straight, I have to tucken and tighten up my glutes to appear straight

so make sure you are straight. have you ever seen a crooken plank?

mike456 · 09-07-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

so make sure you are straight. have you ever seen a crooken plank?

yea I do make sure that I am straight now, but before I took a vid of my self, I always thought I was straight. So all that time I was doing them was probably a waste. Just took the vid about a week ago.

Bakerboy · 09-07-2006, 10:27 AM

paper route = money = bike.

If you get a paper route it gives you a reason to walk, which is something you need to do. You will also be carrying the papers so it's like doing a farmers walk.

mike456 · 09-07-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bakerboy

paper route = money = bike.

If you get a paper route it gives you a reason to walk, which is something you need to do. You will also be carrying the papers so it's like doing a farmers walk.

ok, Ill try to get the job

**CowPimp** · 09-07-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I have a client with a serious lordotic curve, and I would like to help her....she is, however, VERY limber. But if she say tries to do a crunch, her abs can't really pull her off the ground in a crunching fashion...she almost has to jerk. Like her abs are too weak and the musculature in her back is too tight??

What are your thoughts dale and CP and funk??

If there are any kind of stretch tests or something I could have her do and maybe get back to you with the results?

Definitely sounds like she has weak abs, and possibly other core stabilizing musculature.

What does she look like when she squats? Does she lean forward? Roll up on her toes, externally rotate her feet, or evert her ankles? Knees moving in/out, or just generally wobbly?

Go Google the Thomas test for hip flexibility. That will give you an idea as to how tight her hip flexors are. If she has tight hip flexors as indicated by the test, especially if her free leg unintentionally abducts (You'll know when you read about the test; this indicates a tight TFL in most cases), then you can bet on her having weak glutes too.

Watching someone attempt to do a birddog is a pretty good indicator of glute strength in my opinion. Usually someone with really weak glutes will roll their body at the lumbar spine instead of just extending the hip to try and compensate. This might also indicate an overall lack of motor control with concern to the lumbo-pelvic hip complex and a low level of core strength.

MACCA · 09-07-2006, 10:54 AM

Ok, sorry for being thick but what is a birddog ?

**CowPimp** · 09-07-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MACCA

Ok, sorry for being thick but what is a birddog ?

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/uw/...s/Default.aspx

PWGriffin · 09-07-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

Definitely sounds like she has weak abs, and possibly other core stabilizing musculature.

What does she look like when she squats? Does she lean forward? Roll up on her toes, externally rotate her feet, or evert her ankles? Knees moving in/out, or just generally wobbly?

Go Google the Thomas test for hip flexibility. That will give you an idea as to how tight her hip flexors are. If she has tight hip flexors as indicated by the test, especially if her free leg unintentionally abducts (You'll know when you read about the test; this indicates a tight TFL in most cases), then you can bet on her having weak glutes too.

Watching someone attempt to do a birddog is a pretty good indicator of glute strength in my opinion. Usually someone with really weak glutes will roll their body at the lumbar spine instead of just extending the hip to try and compensate. This might also indicate an overall lack of motor control with concern to the lumbo-pelvic hip complex and a low level of core strength.

She can do body weight squats very low with no problem getting up....but the knees go out and I think she is bearing the weight on the balls of her feet..she doesn't lean forward more than normal IMO though.

You guys say she prolly has weak abs, I agree...but should I condition them through conventional means via trunk flexion?? Or stick to planks and other exercises for the entire core??

**P-funk** · 09-07-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

She can do body weight squats very low with no problem getting up....but the knees go out and I think she is bearing the weight on the balls of her feet..she doesn't lean forward more than normal IMO though.

You guys say she prolly has weak abs, I agree...but should I condition them through conventional means via trunk flexion?? Or stick to planks and other exercises for the entire core??

you said she can't do crunches? she was unable to right?

you might want to look at McGill crunches.

**CowPimp** · 09-07-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

you said she can't do crunches? she was unable to right?

you might want to look at McGill crunches.

I just cracked open his book called Low Back Disorders last night. I'm sure this will be a good read. He's already bastardized the industry of doctors who claim most LBDs are psychosocial issues, and not physiologically rooted. He basically called them out, and called out the shitty practices that people use to rehabilitate backs. I love when people think outside the box and have the results to back it up.

PWGriffin · 09-07-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

you said she can't do crunches? she was unable to right?

you might want to look at McGill crunches.

At one point I started to assist her in crunches...helping her raise up off the ground. Thought maybe if she could feel what her body was SUPPOSED to be doing it might help her...it actually worked!! It's improved much, but still kinda ugly...like I don't think she could crunch and hold but she can get her upper back off the ground without assistance now.

**CowPimp** · 09-07-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

At one point I started to assist her in crunches...helping her raise up off the ground. Thought maybe if she could feel what her body was SUPPOSED to be doing it might help her...it actually worked!! It's improved much, but still kinda ugly...like I don't think she could crunch and hold but she can get her upper back off the ground without assistance now.

Maybe you should start out with some form of isometrics?

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