Deads

Willy · 05-11-2002, 02:13 PM

I’ve been doing regular deads to the floor, recently I was reading something that said that doing deads past a certain point was just working my hip flexors more than my back.
It went on to say that I should be doing them in the squat rack with the bars set at just below knee level.

So I thought I’d give it a try, I was able to go 50lb over what I was doing from the floor and I still felt sore the next day.

So what do you think, should I keep doing them to just below the knee or should I be going to the floor or both????????

Sub-Zero · 05-11-2002, 02:35 PM

Well deadlifts is a compound exercise so you are using more than your lower back. The first few inches of the deadlift are using your hamstrings then after that it's all up to your back and the final strecth is your traps.

The reason you could do 50lbs more, was due to the fact the ROM (Range Of Motion) was shorter

If you just want to focus on your lower back development than you can do it your way, but that might stop your 'normal' deadlift from progressin as much

Willy · 05-11-2002, 03:33 PM

Hmmm, seems to me that the first part of the movement is bending at the waist to lower the bar past your knees THEN your butt sticks out and you bend at the knee using your legs for the lower half of the lift.

Maybe I'll just do both, to the floor one week then just past the knees the next.

Sub-Zero · 05-11-2002, 04:30 PM

Variation IS the key to new growth

Robboe · 05-11-2002, 05:30 PM

Not always. Sometimes a simple increase in calories does wonders...

Sub-Zero · 05-11-2002, 06:28 PM

But isn't that a variation ?

Variation in MY eyes means - Anything different from your norm, wheter it be exercises, sets, reps, nutrition, etc ....

**Prince** · 05-11-2002, 07:34 PM

Yes Sub-Zero that would be a form of variation!

TCD just like s to contradict people and argue, don't let him get to you.

w8lifter · 05-11-2002, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Not always. Sometimes a simple increase in calories does wonders...

You need to find a new hobby chicken baby

Training God · 05-11-2002, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sub-Zero
Variation IS the key to new growth

Ya, I try to switch my routine every week.

Sub-Zero · 05-12-2002, 06:28 AM

Quote:

TCD just like s to contradict people and argue, don't let him get to you.

I'll remember that

Robboe · 05-12-2002, 12:39 PM

What can i say, i was drunk last night.

**gopro** · 05-12-2002, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Willy
I’ve been doing regular deads to the floor, recently I was reading something that said that doing deads past a certain point was just working my hip flexors more than my back.
It went on to say that I should be doing them in the squat rack with the bars set at just below knee level.

So I thought I’d give it a try, I was able to go 50lb over what I was doing from the floor and I still felt sore the next day.

So what do you think, should I keep doing them to just below the knee or should I be going to the floor or both????????

I much prefer partial deads with variations from just below to just above the knee. However, I will still occasionally work them off the floor for variation and to see where my deadlift is at!

LittLe FraNk · 05-17-2002, 08:34 AM

i am only Dlifting 100 lbs which is 2/3 of my body weight
i do 2 sets in front of me i pik it up from floor then i set it to the floor but i have to 50 plb plates on a straight bar so a 50 pound plate is almost the distance from the floor to my Knees LOl
helps me to keep my form i tap them to the floor is this good??

LittLe FraNk · 05-17-2002, 08:35 AM

and i do them same way behind my legs...

Scotty the Body · 05-17-2002, 09:42 AM

Its ok to tap the floor but don't let it rest there and don't bounce it off the floor.
Why do you do them behind the legs? It seems to me that doing them behind the leg like that would be more like a BB hack squat.

Yanks20 · 05-17-2002, 09:45 AM

50lb plates?

Scotty the Body · 05-17-2002, 09:53 AM

I've got some 50's at home, they're made by York. I wish the gym would get some 100's, its a pain loading the leg press with 45's Who needs to do arms, just load that beast!!!

Yanks20 · 05-17-2002, 09:57 AM

yeah, we've got the 100's, just haven't seen at 50's before.

CJMAJOR · 05-17-2002, 08:36 PM

When I do deads i go down to about an inch fromt he floor. It gives a good ROM and it gives the lower back a good workout. Also they say deadlifts are the best or one of the best workout that works almost the entire body. If you want to gain mass deads are a must. I wasn't such a believer untill i started doing them. But their a must now!

picasso · 05-19-2002, 04:27 AM

When I go heavy on deads I not only
tap the floor I set it down, pause, lift.
Each rep is treated as an individual lift.

**gopro** · 05-19-2002, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by picasso
When I go heavy on deads I not only
tap the floor I set it down, pause, lift.
Each rep is treated as an individual lift.

That is how I do it and how I teach it!

LittLe FraNk · 05-20-2002, 12:24 PM

my dad had a whole entire york gym about 6 yrs ago bar bbench dumbells from 1-10lbs 25's,50's,75's and 350lbs of steel plates and horse i belive... of free weight...ya i like to do a few sets of deadlifts behind the legs it makes my upper back work more to me and when i do them in front there alot more pressure on my lower back...

dj-r00 · 12-16-2002, 01:38 PM

Sorry to resurrect an old post, but I am thinking of adding partial deadlifts into my routine. How well do partials work the hamstrings? And would it be ill advised to do them on a non-back day?

Scotty the Body · 12-16-2002, 02:52 PM

Not very well in my opinion, in fact I think they work them less than a regular dead.
If you want to work the hammies, do SLDL on leg day.

w8lifter · 12-16-2002, 04:04 PM

LittLe FraNk
Member

Registered: Apr 2002
Location: oww w8 is Hot
Posts: 208

I never noticed that before, lol.

**Prince** · 12-16-2002, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by w8lifter
LittLe FraNk
Member

Registered: Apr 2002
Location: oww w8 is Hot
Posts: 208

I never noticed that before, lol.

looks like you scared him away:
Last Post: 07-04-2002

Dero · 12-16-2002, 04:26 PM

W8,scaring people away...
Say it isn't so!!!

Dat wood be a first...

w8lifter · 12-16-2002, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
looks like you scared him away:
Last Post: 07-04-2002

Last post: w8 has a sister

I scared him?

**Prince** · 12-16-2002, 04:35 PM

did you see what Scotty said in that thread?

05-11-2002, 02:13 PM	#1
Willy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 17	Deads I’ve been doing regular deads to the floor, recently I was reading something that said that doing deads past a certain point was just working my hip flexors more than my back. It went on to say that I should be doing them in the squat rack with the bars set at just below knee level. So I thought I’d give it a try, I was able to go 50lb over what I was doing from the floor and I still felt sore the next day. So what do you think, should I keep doing them to just below the knee or should I be going to the floor or both????????

05-11-2002, 02:35 PM	#2
Sub-Zero Master of ICE Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Underworld Posts: 181	Well deadlifts is a compound exercise so you are using more than your lower back. The first few inches of the deadlift are using your hamstrings then after that it's all up to your back and the final strecth is your traps. The reason you could do 50lbs more, was due to the fact the ROM (Range Of Motion) was shorter If you just want to focus on your lower back development than you can do it your way, but that might stop your 'normal' deadlift from progressin as much
	Cold as ice !!

05-11-2002, 04:30 PM	#4
Sub-Zero Master of ICE Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Underworld Posts: 181	Variation IS the key to new growth
	Cold as ice !!

05-11-2002, 05:30 PM	#5
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	Not always. Sometimes a simple increase in calories does wonders...
	Being held down by The Man

05-11-2002, 06:28 PM	#6
Sub-Zero Master of ICE Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Underworld Posts: 181	But isn't that a variation ? Variation in MY eyes means - Anything different from your norm, wheter it be exercises, sets, reps, nutrition, etc ....
	Cold as ice !!

05-11-2002, 03:33 PM	#3
Willy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 17	Hmmm, seems to me that the first part of the movement is bending at the waist to lower the bar past your knees THEN your butt sticks out and you bend at the knee using your legs for the lower half of the lift. Maybe I'll just do both, to the floor one week then just past the knees the next.

05-11-2002, 07:34 PM	#7
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,753 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	Yes Sub-Zero that would be a form of variation! TCD just like s to contradict people and argue, don't let him get to you.
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05-12-2002, 12:39 PM	#11
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	What can i say, i was drunk last night.
	Being held down by The Man

05-17-2002, 08:34 AM	#13
LittLe FraNk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: with god Posts: 202	i am only Dlifting 100 lbs which is 2/3 of my body weight i do 2 sets in front of me i pik it up from floor then i set it to the floor but i have to 50 plb plates on a straight bar so a 50 pound plate is almost the distance from the floor to my Knees LOl helps me to keep my form i tap them to the floor is this good??
	LittLe FraNk

05-17-2002, 08:35 AM	#14
LittLe FraNk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: with god Posts: 202	and i do them same way behind my legs...
	LittLe FraNk

05-17-2002, 09:42 AM	#15
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	Its ok to tap the floor but don't let it rest there and don't bounce it off the floor. Why do you do them behind the legs? It seems to me that doing them behind the leg like that would be more like a BB hack squat.
	Cool

05-17-2002, 09:45 AM	#16
Yanks20 Yanks Rule! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 243	50lb plates?

05-17-2002, 09:53 AM	#17
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	I've got some 50's at home, they're made by York. I wish the gym would get some 100's, its a pain loading the leg press with 45's Who needs to do arms, just load that beast!!!
	Cool

05-17-2002, 09:57 AM	#18
Yanks20 Yanks Rule! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 243	yeah, we've got the 100's, just haven't seen at 50's before.

05-17-2002, 08:36 PM	#19
CJMAJOR Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 103	When I do deads i go down to about an inch fromt he floor. It gives a good ROM and it gives the lower back a good workout. Also they say deadlifts are the best or one of the best workout that works almost the entire body. If you want to gain mass deads are a must. I wasn't such a believer untill i started doing them. But their a must now!
CJMAJOR Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 103

05-19-2002, 04:27 AM	#20
picasso Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: north Posts: 26	When I go heavy on deads I not only tap the floor I set it down, pause, lift. Each rep is treated as an individual lift.

05-20-2002, 12:24 PM	#22
LittLe FraNk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: with god Posts: 202	my dad had a whole entire york gym about 6 yrs ago bar bbench dumbells from 1-10lbs 25's,50's,75's and 350lbs of steel plates and horse i belive... of free weight...ya i like to do a few sets of deadlifts behind the legs it makes my upper back work more to me and when i do them in front there alot more pressure on my lower back...
	LittLe FraNk

12-16-2002, 01:38 PM	#23
dj-r00 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England Posts: 7	Sorry to resurrect an old post, but I am thinking of adding partial deadlifts into my routine. How well do partials work the hamstrings? And would it be ill advised to do them on a non-back day?

12-16-2002, 02:52 PM	#24
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	Not very well in my opinion, in fact I think they work them less than a regular dead. If you want to work the hammies, do SLDL on leg day.
	Cool

12-16-2002, 04:04 PM	#25
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	LittLe FraNk Member Registered: Apr 2002 Location: oww w8 is Hot Posts: 208 I never noticed that before, lol.

12-16-2002, 04:26 PM	#27
Dero Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,779 Photos: 6	W8,scaring people away... Say it isn't so!!! Dat wood be a first...
	Senior citizen at work, don't bugg me.

12-16-2002, 04:35 PM	#29
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,753 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	did you see what Scotty said in that thread?
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