Volume Training

Adamjs · 09-09-2006, 08:39 PM

What's the general opinion on high volume training?

I can't see anything wrong with it from time to time. However, my new trainer wants to have me training high volume on at least one major lift each workout session each week.

Do you do it? If so, when? why? how often? and the like.

An example of high volume training:

-10x10 routines with failure on the last set
- pyramiding down from 5 reps w/7 rep max, drop a plate, 5 reps, drop a plate, 5 reps, drop a plate, etc till total failure
- and all other high volume training methods that involve either doing more than, say, 5 sets, with reps, say in the range of greater than 15 reps

viet_jon · 09-09-2006, 09:05 PM

yes, but I"m young dum, and full of cum.

after training for a few more years though, I can see myself slowing down bigtime.

TJ Cline · 09-09-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamjs

What's the general opinion on high volume training?

I can't see anything wrong with it from time to time. However, my new trainer wants to have me training high volume on at least one major lift each workout session each week.

Do you do it? If so, when? why? how often? and the like.

You need to give an example of high volume training

**P-funk** · 09-09-2006, 09:15 PM

what are you calling high volume?

training high volume on one major lift? Give an example of a workout please.

Adamjs · 09-09-2006, 09:26 PM

^ workout would include finishing with a pyramid, say, bench press till complete failure, dropping weight, back to complete failure, drop weight, back to complete failure, etc, etc. Or a 10x10 set.

**P-funk** · 09-09-2006, 09:37 PM

sounds retarded.

*edit* there is nothing wrong with a down set. I am not keen on several down sets to failure. Nor am I keen on doing this ever time.

Do heavy tension work in the bench press to increase strength. Do lighter mechanical work on an auxillary exercise to increase metabolic activity. Then you can spread the volume over different exercises and different biometers rather then working double duty on the bench press and then trying to hit the same volume on the other exercises as well.

Double D · 09-09-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

sounds retarded.

Agreed

(I just like that little guy)

Adamjs · 09-09-2006, 09:47 PM

Well to me, any high volume thing seems crazy. Then Christian Thibaudeau from t-nation always comes out with his 100 rep hippy ideas and the whole "German Volume Training" concept always comes up with old school lifters. I was just curious with what everyone else thought.

Double D · 09-09-2006, 09:53 PM

I do like German Volume training for a short period of time, like about a month. As far as 100 reps, i think is total BS. I cant say I would see myself ever doing that. I think I did something like that a few years back but for like 1 week and totally hated it.

DOMS · 09-09-2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamjs

Well to me, any high volume thing seems crazy.

I like it and it seems to be working well for me so far.

Not that I'm advocation it.

fufu · 09-10-2006, 10:16 AM

My workouts can vary from 6 to 16 sets. All depends what I am doing.

assassin · 09-12-2006, 06:01 AM

yeah retarded just like the weider program ....16-18 sets for big muscle group and 12- 14 for smaller muscle groups ... 5 days per week .. one muscle per workout....

DOMS · 09-12-2006, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by assassin

yeah retarded just like the weider program ....16-18 sets for big muscle group and 12- 14 for smaller muscle groups ... 5 days per week .. one muscle per workout....

Are you saying that you do this? Or that you think it's retarded to do this?

JonnyStead · 09-12-2006, 08:06 AM

Every once in a while I will do a couple of high volume sets on things like bench presses - but its more for Ha Ha's and seeing if I can beat the previous record than anything else I guess....

But I am a hardgainer so I tend to stick to low reps, high weight and low volumes of set with lots and lots of lovely rest. I think the resting is the best bit actually...

JimSnow · 09-12-2006, 08:48 AM

I'm not really sure what "high volume" is. But once, about ever 6 weeks or so, I make an upper body workout of say 10 sets of BPs or MPs. Usually 4-10 reps at 2:00 intervals. Ex BP: 265X8, 265X5, 245X6, 225X6, 225X4, 205X7... I'm usless for anything else after that. There's no point to this, except I consider it a fairly light workout because I don't have to do anything but drop plates and rest between sets.

I doubt this does me any good whatsoever, except for "showing up at the gym".

mike456 · 09-12-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JonnyStead

Every once in a while I will do a couple of high volume sets on things like bench presses - but its more for Ha Ha's and seeing if I can beat the previous record than anything else I guess....

But I am a hardgainer so I tend to stick to low reps, high weight and low volumes of set with lots and lots of lovely rest. I think the resting is the best bit actually...

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jcote · 09-12-2006, 02:11 PM

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PWGriffin · 09-12-2006, 02:15 PM

I do "high volume" once a month for one week...but that is 5x5 for me. I used to do alot more when I started out...but it got me no where...I couldn't imagine working out without having a relatively light week in there somewhere or a week off completely....that was blasphemy 2 years ago for me...

SuperFlex · 09-12-2006, 04:08 PM

Imo it's as follows...

Large muscle groups/12-16 sets
Smaller muscle groups/7-9 sets

Chest 12-14
Back 12-16
Delts 9-12
Quads 12-14
Hamstrings 7-9
Calves 7-8
Biceps 7
Triceps 7-9

At times I'll do fewer sets, but never more than that. I often don't even do arms directly. I believe you should however, if you want them to be their best!

This is also if you're training each muscle group every 5-7 days...

assassin · 09-13-2006, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperFlex

Imo it's as follows...

Large muscle groups/12-16 sets
Smaller muscle groups/7-9 sets

Chest 12-14
Back 12-16
Delts 9-12
Quads 12-14
Hamstrings 7-9
Calves 7-8
Biceps 7
Triceps 7-9

At times I'll do fewer sets, but never more than that. I often don't even do arms directly. I believe you should however, if you want them to be their best!

This is also if you're training each muscle group every 5-7 days...

if you are using higher frequency . like upper / lower / or push / pull ... u'll just need 9-10 for big groups and 3-4 for smaller musle groups

TJ Cline · 09-13-2006, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Adamjs

^ workout would include finishing with a pyramid, say, bench press till complete failure, dropping weight, back to complete failure, drop weight, back to complete failure, etc, etc. Or a 10x10 set.

If you train to or past failure every set you can not do high volume

assassin · 09-13-2006, 05:26 AM

as i learned frequency is better than volume ....

PWGriffin · 09-13-2006, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by assassin

as i learned frequency is better than volume ....

I don't think one is better than the other...they are two different aspects of training that need to be addressed when assessing your goals.

assassin · 09-13-2006, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I don't think one is better than the other...they are two different aspects of training that need to be addressed when assessing your goals.

but if you use high volume you will just be able to do each muscle once per week...... except if you are going to workout 6 days per week....

PWGriffin · 09-13-2006, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by assassin

but if you use high volume you will just be able to do each muscle once per week...... except if you are going to workout 6 days per week....

Not necesssarily. What I think you are considering "high volume" is some retarded shit that you should never do. Think volume in terms of "per workout" and not "per body part".

I did upper body monday...this week 5x5...4 exercises and a couple sets of 2more exercises as accessories....that was a lot of volume for me...it felt like it at least...and I'm going to do it again tomorrow.

SuperFlex · 09-13-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by assassin

if you are using higher frequency . like upper / lower / or push / pull ... u'll just need 9-10 for big groups and 3-4 for smaller musle groups

Yes sir,

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09-09-2006, 09:15 PM	#4
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Adamjs Adamjs Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 260	^ workout would include finishing with a pyramid, say, bench press till complete failure, dropping weight, back to complete failure, drop weight, back to complete failure, etc, etc. Or a 10x10 set.
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09-09-2006, 09:37 PM	#6
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	sounds retarded. edit there is nothing wrong with a down set. I am not keen on several down sets to failure. Nor am I keen on doing this ever time. Do heavy tension work in the bench press to increase strength. Do lighter mechanical work on an auxillary exercise to increase metabolic activity. Then you can spread the volume over different exercises and different biometers rather then working double duty on the bench press and then trying to hit the same volume on the other exercises as well.
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09-09-2006, 09:47 PM	#8
Adamjs Adamjs Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 260	Well to me, any high volume thing seems crazy. Then Christian Thibaudeau from t-nation always comes out with his 100 rep hippy ideas and the whole "German Volume Training" concept always comes up with old school lifters. I was just curious with what everyone else thought.
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09-09-2006, 09:53 PM	#9
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,901	I do like German Volume training for a short period of time, like about a month. As far as 100 reps, i think is total BS. I cant say I would see myself ever doing that. I think I did something like that a few years back but for like 1 week and totally hated it.
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09-10-2006, 10:16 AM	#11
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09-12-2006, 06:01 AM	#12
assassin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: egypt/cairo Posts: 2,150	yeah retarded just like the weider program ....16-18 sets for big muscle group and 12- 14 for smaller muscle groups ... 5 days per week .. one muscle per workout....

09-12-2006, 08:06 AM	#14
JonnyStead Good old English grit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England Posts: 387 Photos: 4	Every once in a while I will do a couple of high volume sets on things like bench presses - but its more for Ha Ha's and seeing if I can beat the previous record than anything else I guess.... But I am a hardgainer so I tend to stick to low reps, high weight and low volumes of set with lots and lots of lovely rest. I think the resting is the best bit actually...
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09-12-2006, 08:48 AM	#15
JimSnow Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NC, USA Posts: 625 Photos: 2	I'm not really sure what "high volume" is. But once, about ever 6 weeks or so, I make an upper body workout of say 10 sets of BPs or MPs. Usually 4-10 reps at 2:00 intervals. Ex BP: 265X8, 265X5, 245X6, 225X6, 225X4, 205X7... I'm usless for anything else after that. There's no point to this, except I consider it a fairly light workout because I don't have to do anything but drop plates and rest between sets. I doubt this does me any good whatsoever, except for "showing up at the gym".
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09-12-2006, 04:08 PM	#19
SuperFlex Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,321	Imo it's as follows... Large muscle groups/12-16 sets Smaller muscle groups/7-9 sets Chest 12-14 Back 12-16 Delts 9-12 Quads 12-14 Hamstrings 7-9 Calves 7-8 Biceps 7 Triceps 7-9 At times I'll do fewer sets, but never more than that. I often don't even do arms directly. I believe you should however, if you want them to be their best! This is also if you're training each muscle group every 5-7 days...
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09-13-2006, 05:26 AM	#22
assassin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: egypt/cairo Posts: 2,150	as i learned frequency is better than volume ....