can you change from an ecto to a meso?

kenwood · 09-13-2006, 09:46 PM

when i was in the the 6-7th grade i couldn't put on any bw at all i was around 120lbs and i could eat all fucking day. now i'm 181lbs and i can gain muscle/fat easy but its hard as fuck to burn it off.

**P-funk** · 09-13-2006, 09:50 PM

in 6th grade you probably hadn't even hit puberty yet.

kenwood · 09-13-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

in 6th grade you probably hadn't even hit puberty yet.

True but I wish it was easier to burn off bf as easy as it was back then.

kenwood · 09-13-2006, 09:54 PM

i was talking to someone the other day and i told him i just got done doing HIIT cardio. he told me that low intensity for 45min. is better. true?

**P-funk** · 09-13-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kenwood

i was talking to someone the other day and i told him i just got done doing HIIT cardio. he told me that low intensity for 45min. is better. true?

that answer is dependant on so many factors.

Double D · 09-14-2006, 12:39 AM

I think it is a personal preference. I have not however found anything better than HIIT.

kenwood · 09-14-2006, 12:49 AM

yeah i do 10min. of HIIT. tomorrow i might do 30min of jogging

Witchblade · 09-14-2006, 06:45 AM

As always you're screaming something doesn't work when you haven't tried it out long enough...

Bajenman88 · 09-14-2006, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

As always you're screaming something doesn't work when you haven't tried it out long enough...

Not once in any of these posts did I see him say something didn't work...

**Dale Mabry** · 09-14-2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

that answer is dependant on so many factors.

The least of which is a proper education.

All joking aside, a variety of cardio is best and what you should do that day is dependent on many factors. P, do you know where that article Lyle did on CKDs is? That was a great reference.

Trouble · 09-14-2006, 09:51 AM

To answer your question, the answer is yes.

Endo- and ectomorphy are phenotypical, not genotypic, bodytypes. This means that someone with endomorphic traits can loose weight and by hard work and careful attention to diet and lifestyle, reverse bodyfat. They tend to have excellent capacity for building muscle once glucose tolerance is restored. They can gain bone mass and improve density. I believe..and I would be an example, that skeletal structural changes...for instance, malnutrition or stress delayed growth are possible in the early to mid 20s.

This is no trivial remodeling of tissue.

The ectomorph is the flip coin side of the endomorph - the key CNS conditions that induce the plastically functional expression of large sets of genes involved in skeletal muscle, gastrointestinal, liver, brain, thyroid, adrenal, kidney and skin function - are the same. The difference between them lies in in gene control elements that affect neurochemical receptors in pancreas, thyroid and adrenals. They control what are called expressed traits related to unnatural energy metabolism, with a tendency towards poor muscle growth and impaired fat glycogen and storage. Both somatypes also have poor recovery.

This is splendidly simple. These are stress related conditions.

Diet induces altered production of key nuclear receptor activators, cranked out by gut bacteria. Screwed up brain and liver chemistry create the pathological conditions: in one case, very little energy is stored and the other, excess energy is produced, but stored improperly. Not enough insulin, versus too much insulin. Coupled to this: improper gut function in both, results in key shortages of pathway intermediates. Also shortages in stress controlling neurochemicals.

Plastic expression of bodytype begins in infancy, through diet and sleep habits controlled by the parent. Gut health, the pivot on which endo and ectomoprhy swings, is also determined by maternal and paternal altered expression of genes that form the zygote. Preprogramming of the genes that can go either way. These determine gut tendency towards acquiring specific bacterial types during early infantcy - again, influenced strongly by the amount and types of food fed to the baby and by the parents care in keeping to a rigid sleep schedule.

All of this logic can be found, in separate puzzle bits, here and there, in the biomedical literature.

If you doubt me, or perhaps find this technical description, consider this evidence:

Pick up a book by Bill Phillips, you'll find it many bookstores and probably larger public libraries: Body for Life. Take a long hard look at the photographic evidence, on the inside front and back covers.

Absolute, unquestionable solid proof of this concept.

I may have pulled the various bits and pieces of the molecular puzzle together, but Bill, he knew it was possible, quite some time ago.

I tip my hat to him. He answers your question, as elegantly as I.

**P-funk** · 09-14-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

The least of which is a proper education.

All joking aside, a variety of cardio is best and what you should do that day is dependent on many factors. P, do you know where that article Lyle did on CKDs is? That was a great reference.

which article on CKD? he has done so many.

Ask Ivonne, I think she has it.

SuperFlex · 09-14-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kenwood

when i was in the the 6-7th grade i couldn't put on any bw at all i was around 120lbs and i could eat all fucking day. now i'm 181lbs and i can gain muscle/fat easy but its hard as fuck to burn it off.

I imagine, like me, you're doing too much sitting around since you have nothing to do... That's why it seems hard to burn off. Even when you eat completely healthy, as I do 99% of the time, it's still calories in calories out. GO BACK TO SCHOOL!!!

GoalGetter · 09-14-2006, 11:31 AM

I have SOME of his articles, and i'll post pdf's here, with the ones that discuss cardio in any way.

CKD: Part 2
CKD: Part 3

I don't think these are it though - i know what you're talking about and i can't friggin find it now!

Maybe it was in his newsletter more recently? I'll check that too...

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Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,080 Photos: 2	To answer your question, the answer is yes. Endo- and ectomorphy are phenotypical, not genotypic, bodytypes. This means that someone with endomorphic traits can loose weight and by hard work and careful attention to diet and lifestyle, reverse bodyfat. They tend to have excellent capacity for building muscle once glucose tolerance is restored. They can gain bone mass and improve density. I believe..and I would be an example, that skeletal structural changes...for instance, malnutrition or stress delayed growth are possible in the early to mid 20s. This is no trivial remodeling of tissue. The ectomorph is the flip coin side of the endomorph - the key CNS conditions that induce the plastically functional expression of large sets of genes involved in skeletal muscle, gastrointestinal, liver, brain, thyroid, adrenal, kidney and skin function - are the same. The difference between them lies in in gene control elements that affect neurochemical receptors in pancreas, thyroid and adrenals. They control what are called expressed traits related to unnatural energy metabolism, with a tendency towards poor muscle growth and impaired fat glycogen and storage. Both somatypes also have poor recovery. This is splendidly simple. These are stress related conditions. Diet induces altered production of key nuclear receptor activators, cranked out by gut bacteria. Screwed up brain and liver chemistry create the pathological conditions: in one case, very little energy is stored and the other, excess energy is produced, but stored improperly. Not enough insulin, versus too much insulin. Coupled to this: improper gut function in both, results in key shortages of pathway intermediates. Also shortages in stress controlling neurochemicals. Plastic expression of bodytype begins in infancy, through diet and sleep habits controlled by the parent. Gut health, the pivot on which endo and ectomoprhy swings, is also determined by maternal and paternal altered expression of genes that form the zygote. Preprogramming of the genes that can go either way. These determine gut tendency towards acquiring specific bacterial types during early infantcy - again, influenced strongly by the amount and types of food fed to the baby and by the parents care in keeping to a rigid sleep schedule. All of this logic can be found, in separate puzzle bits, here and there, in the biomedical literature. If you doubt me, or perhaps find this technical description, consider this evidence: Pick up a book by Bill Phillips, you'll find it many bookstores and probably larger public libraries: Body for Life. Take a long hard look at the photographic evidence, on the inside front and back covers. Absolute, unquestionable solid proof of this concept. I may have pulled the various bits and pieces of the molecular puzzle together, but Bill, he knew it was possible, quite some time ago. I tip my hat to him. He answers your question, as elegantly as I.