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  1. 09-17-2006, 08:51 PM #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by assassin View Post
    over training may be a result of lack of sleep or bad nutrition , most people over train .. if you don't extremely over train it's not something to worry about but i meant you should take care when it happens ...that's all
    i disagree.

    imo, most people undertrain. Not undertrain in the sense that your losing muscle mass, but more so not training to optimal growth.

    most people do 3-4x a week, that's not where I think the problem is. I think it's excessivly worrying about going to failure. I"m not saying that going to failure is good. More like, if you worry about it too much, you don't push yourself enough to rep out those last reps where really you could have gone 2-3 more reps.
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  3. 09-17-2006, 08:55 PM #32
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    beleive me most people workout 5-6x a week like the crappy programs they see in magazines ....... and many follow the 16-18 set per muscle group/day principle ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by assassin View Post
    beleive me most people workout 5-6x a week like the crappy programs they see in magazines ....... and many follow the 16-18 set per muscle group/day principle ...
    ya your right...my bad.

    most people do have crap routines they pull from magazines. Luky us!!

    i was just ranting in my last post.
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  5. 09-17-2006, 08:59 PM #34
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    i don't mean lose muscle mass , many ppl could over come over training due to genetics and many people quit training for the same reason ... and others start using steroids ....overtraining may force your body to grow for a certain time but then you'll plataue , and if you don't have enough knowledge you'll think steroids are the only way or you'll quit training ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by viet_jon View Post
    ya your right...my bad.

    most people do have crap routines they pull from magazines. Luky us!!

    i was just ranting in my last post.
    yeah lucky us .... i think I.M. forums hepled a lot of people to gain a lot of knowledge ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by assassin View Post
    yeah lucky us .... i think I.M. forums hepled a lot of people to gain a lot of knowledge ...
    yup, I.M. rocks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by viet_jon View Post
    yup, I.M. rocks!!!

    sending rob 15 bux, as soon as i get my paypal.

    my problem is that there is no way to send the payment from egypt .... but i am still looking for another way.....
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  9. 09-17-2006, 09:13 PM #38
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    "First, you should be aware that most scientists are in agreement that overtraining and overreaching markers are generally different for anaerobic and aerobic clients. Anaerobic clients usually exerience sympathetic overtraining symptoms, whereas aerobic clients are more susceptible to parasympathetic overtraining. Briefly, the sympathetic nervous system speeds up bodily functions thereby increasing energy needs, and the parasympathetic nervous system slows down bodily functions thereby conserving energy (*a picture of a fat girl running her ass off on the eliptical comes to mind). Together they comprise the autonomic nervous system, which acts on blood vessels, glands and organs. The somatic nervous sytem, on the other hand, primarily innervates your skeletal muscles."

    And finally the point of this post...

    "Sympathetic overtraining can lead to increased resting heart rate, increased blood pressure, loss of appetite, decreased body mass, sleep disturbances, emotional instability and elevated basal metabolic rate. Parasympathetic overtraining signs can include early onset of fatigue, increased resting heart rate, decreased heart rate recovery after exercise and increased resting blood pressure. The body's hormonal responses are also altered as a result of overtraining. The ratio of testosterone to cortisol is thought to regulate anabolic processes in recovery, so a change in this ratio is an important indicator, and perhaps the cause, of overtraining."


    To a lot of you, this isn't new information...but I thought it pertinent information given the direction this thread was going in.

    Overtraining isn't some silly word to be twisted around to fit your own meaning or application as have other words like "intensity" and "volume"....it too has a set definition with certain serious symptoms.
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    No gym for home, work out floor with 30, but is it for 20 like 30 lb when you no lift it to be for men, for 30 lbs instead? or half is 10 for 20 pounds?
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  10. 09-17-2006, 10:03 PM #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by PWGriffin View Post
    "First, you should be aware that most scientists are in agreement that overtraining and overreaching markers are generally different for anaerobic and aerobic clients. Anaerobic clients usually exerience sympathetic overtraining symptoms, whereas aerobic clients are more susceptible to parasympathetic overtraining. Briefly, the sympathetic nervous system speeds up bodily functions thereby increasing energy needs, and the parasympathetic nervous system slows down bodily functions thereby conserving energy (*a picture of a fat girl running her ass off on the eliptical comes to mind). Together they comprise the autonomic nervous system, which acts on blood vessels, glands and organs. The somatic nervous sytem, on the other hand, primarily innervates your skeletal muscles."

    And finally the point of this post...

    "Sympathetic overtraining can lead to increased resting heart rate, increased blood pressure, loss of appetite, decreased body mass, sleep disturbances, emotional instability and elevated basal metabolic rate. Parasympathetic overtraining signs can include early onset of fatigue, increased resting heart rate, decreased heart rate recovery after exercise and increased resting blood pressure. The body's hormonal responses are also altered as a result of overtraining. The ratio of testosterone to cortisol is thought to regulate anabolic processes in recovery, so a change in this ratio is an important indicator, and perhaps the cause, of overtraining."


    To a lot of you, this isn't new information...but I thought it pertinent information given the direction this thread was going in.

    Overtraining isn't some silly word to be twisted around to fit your own meaning or application as have other words like "intensity" and "volume"....it too has a set definition with certain serious symptoms.
    Good post Griffin. Overtraining is a state that you can only reach from overexerting yourself repeatedly for an extended period of time. It is a chronic adaptation to stress, not an acute one. You cannot overtrain from one workout.
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