Severe Shoulder Smackdown!!!

Dr. Pain · 05-18-2002, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by Neil
Maybe someone could explain to me the concept of experience increasing recovery ability. Regardless of your level of experience the human body still has it's limits.
Posting ridiculous high volume workouts is misleading to newbies and highly irresponsible IMO. Dr. Pain, you should put a disclaimer on all your routines stating how they don't work unless you are a walking pharmacy with 1 in 10000 genetics.
If volume was the answer to getting big every bench and curl jockey in my gym would be huge.

Neil, first off your not asking a question Your suggesting that someone tell you something to which you which you have provided your own answer, that makes this rhetorical.

Not only that, it doesn't pertain to this W/O if you read the post! Your missing the point!

Rather than request an answer, you should be offering up an apology!

DP

bigss75 · 05-18-2002, 11:47 PM

Now that is a ballz out workout! Hell Yeah Brother

Burner02 · 05-19-2002, 01:12 AM

I'm thinking a good old fashioned hurling would be in order after that...

A long time ago..when I used to have a lifting partner, we'd be sort of sadistic to each other...nothing like what I just read, but ti worked!

Just pushed each other, for example, say bench pressing. If my partner was about to fail, I'd assist him for another couple reps. I wouldn't let him rack the weight until he knocked out another couple reps...bad thing was..it would be my turn next....

Robboe · 05-19-2002, 07:47 AM

Hey, out of curiosity, who is gonna actually try that routine?

Neil · 05-19-2002, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by Dr. Pain

Neil, first off your not asking a question Your suggesting that someone tell you something to which you which you have provided your own answer, that makes this rhetorical.

Not only that, it doesn't pertain to this W/O if you read the post! Your missing the point!

Rather than request an answer, you should be offering up an apology!

DP

Actually I was making a statement which is true but hardly answers the question. I would like to know how being an experienced lifter makes your body more effective at recovering from extremely high volume workouts.
I am more than capable of doing your workout. I am also more than capable of using my brain and not doing it. I just can't see 65 sets with forced reps included being anything but completely detrimental to my training. I would like anyone who is going to do this workout to explain why they are doing it and what their goals are.

Dr. Pain · 05-19-2002, 09:21 AM

LAST TIME!

The goal was

HURT THE MAN!

nothing more! READ IT!

As far as BB, and recovery, THE BODY BECOMES IT'S FUNCTION!

Why run 50 miles, 24 hours, do an Ironman distance or beyond triathlon, WHY DO THIS W/O (I have done all of that and more)

Because the goal and benefits are:

ACCLIMATION!

From all those things I have :

A higher lactate threshold
A higher O2 uptake (my VO2 last measure 73.3)
Me personally, lowers Cortisol/Enhances my recovery ability, my output is minimal from years of repeated bouts such as this

Better neural system
Most efficeint ATP-CP usage ******
Enhanced metabolism/metabolic pathways
Increased mental TENACITY ****
Superior respiration
Lower resting heart rate
Golgi response

My personal feelings is that in me (READ ME ONLY) it enhances vascularity (all pulmonary/respitory activity really), the ability to handle PAIN, push my body to and beyond my mental and physical limits.

MOST OF ALL HE WILL NEVER TALK SMACK AGAIN, SO YOU CAN SAY IT:

BUILDS CHARACTER!

Robboe · 05-19-2002, 09:56 AM

Ah, i see. So 65 sets make me a better person. lol.

Training God · 05-19-2002, 12:16 PM

I'm going to try it.

Dr. Pain · 05-19-2002, 12:19 PM

That's the spirit, use what you can, KICK YOUR OWN ASS, butt becareful, READ THE DISCLAIMER!

BTW, just because I like to go until the tendon is tearing away from the bone (feels like velcro sperating) doesn't mean anyone else shoud

j/k, well sort of!

DP

LittLe FraNk · 05-19-2002, 02:31 PM

if this is true u truly own.... and i commend u....
whats Vo2 oxygen intake??

LittLe FraNk · 05-19-2002, 02:36 PM

by traing in i such a manner ...THIS INTENSE
u would have to not lift agai nfor like 48--+ hours
if you are not so used to such intensity----correct
but most likely u couldnt do it.... right...
u are truly SiK... i commend u D-P Owns...
PAIN IS WEAKNESS leaving the body <----- i love that...
BRing the pain .....

HickeyNC · 05-19-2002, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by Dr. Pain
This is NOT a beginner W/O, this is INSANE, HARDCORE, DON'T EVEN TRY IT BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY CAN'T DO IT!

No Shit man. Thats a hell of a workout. I'm man enough (and smart enough

) to admit my limits.

Neil · 05-19-2002, 05:15 PM

Littlefrank, if you want a good beginners workout please feel free to PM me, but do yourself a favor and don't listen to Dr. Pain.
If you feel so inclined as to try Dr. Pain's workouts you will find out on your own how unproductive and damaging they can be.

LittLe FraNk · 05-19-2002, 06:43 PM

i know bro i know it is way to much for me i cnat hang with him or even trying to would tear my fibers up to much and take 48-to more ohurs to completley recover ... but when you recover '
theoretically hypertrophy takes place but that more intense than what i need to create my own hypertrohpy

**gopro** · 05-20-2002, 05:28 AM

No disrespect meant...but I must say that unless you are a genetic superior, or, on drugs, most people would become severely overtrained on a routine like this. Not to mention that it doesn't seem too conducive to gaining mass. Not saying it doesn't work for you, b/c it might be...but for the majority, I could not see it working.

**gopro** · 05-20-2002, 05:31 AM

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Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Ah, i see. So 65 sets make me a better person. lol.

I can't believe it, I'm actually WITH TCD on this one...

Robboe · 05-20-2002, 05:37 AM

Hey 'Pro, I just had Satan on the phone. He wants to borrow a blanket...

**gopro** · 05-20-2002, 06:10 AM

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Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Hey 'Pro, I just had Satan on the phone. He wants to borrow a blanket...

Jeez, I'm suprised he actually survived the freezover!

w8lifter · 05-20-2002, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Pain

MOST OF ALL HE WILL NEVER TALK SMACK AGAIN, SO YOU CAN SAY IT:

BUILDS CHARACTER!

We do what we call character-building w/o's all the time at the dojo. They bring about a level of focus and discipline beyond what the average person holds. It's called HEART and most people don't have it! This w/o was not about building muscle, it was about achieving strength!

kuso · 05-20-2002, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by w8lifter

We do what we call character-building w/o's all the time at the dojo.

I remember those....always enjoyed 1000`s day

**gopro** · 05-20-2002, 08:24 AM

I totally understand what it is to build mental strength, character, and to have heart. I took 7 years of martial arts before getting into BBing, and I think I would not have achieved what I have in BBing without the martial arts. But no amount of inner strength or character should be achieved at the expense of your physical health. Overtraining of any kind is one of the most destructive things out there!

w8lifter · 05-20-2002, 08:41 AM

I highly doubt that this w/o, if used the way it was meant to be used, would ruin anything more than one's ego.

You people are getting caught up in numbers and missing the point.

**gopro** · 05-20-2002, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by w8lifter
I highly doubt that this w/o, if used the way it was meant to be used, would ruin anything more than one's ego.

You people are getting caught up in numbers and missing the point.

Calm down sweetie! I could be guilty of not reading the whole thing and/or missing the point as you say. If this was meant to be a one time thing to teach someone a lesson or test the limits of one's mental/physical strength, than cool.

I just assumed that it was being posted as a good workout program, which it is not, if used regularly. But I apologize if I'm wrong in my assumption, and it was only meant as a one day freakathon!

Neil · 05-20-2002, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by w8lifter
I highly doubt that this w/o, if used the way it was meant to be used, would ruin anything more than one's ego.

.....and possibly a couple rotator cuffs and biceps tendons.

Robboe · 05-20-2002, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gopro
But no amount of inner strength or character should be achieved at the expense of your physical health.

Hear, hear.

And Neil, that was rather humerous man. Trés bien.

Neil · 05-20-2002, 11:47 AM

Thanks TCD, but no habla. What's tres bien?

LittLe FraNk · 05-20-2002, 12:10 PM

i think showing some one they cant hang...crushes a mans ego
and thats what pain said he was doing.... tryign to hurt the man
and im shore he mentally and physically...did

Snake_Eyes · 05-20-2002, 10:13 PM

I agree with GP and Chicken.

For whomever asked, VO2 max is a measure of how much oxygen you can absorb.

And yes, the benefit to one's lactate threshold, anaerobic work capacity and cardiovascular fitness would be extensive using similar routines.

J'Bo · 05-20-2002, 10:50 PM

Ok ok i think its time to stop haggin on Mr.Pain.

I think that everyone should know that you should never do anything unless researching it for your self.
I am sure some people enjoy those types of workouts (pain) and respond well to them, others don't.
Everyone here wants to learn and everyone also wants to lend a hand, i am sure he was just trying to help.
Hey the w/o made me laugh.
I know i couldn't possibly do it, but i know someone who would be up for the challenge.
I do have one question though.
Where is PowermanDL?
He was the only one who said they were going to try it.
Hope he is ok.
LOL

05-19-2002, 01:12 AM	#33
Burner02 Super Hero in Training Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tip of the spear! Posts: 28,291	I'm thinking a good old fashioned hurling would be in order after that... A long time ago..when I used to have a lifting partner, we'd be sort of sadistic to each other...nothing like what I just read, but ti worked! Just pushed each other, for example, say bench pressing. If my partner was about to fail, I'd assist him for another couple reps. I wouldn't let him rack the weight until he knocked out another couple reps...bad thing was..it would be my turn next....
	Success leaves clues. People who produce outstanding results do specific things to create those results Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing NOW to solve our problem THERE IS NO TOMORROW! - Appollo Creed

05-19-2002, 07:47 AM	#34
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	Hey, out of curiosity, who is gonna actually try that routine?
	Being held down by The Man

05-19-2002, 09:21 AM	#36
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	LAST TIME! The goal was HURT THE MAN! nothing more! READ IT! As far as BB, and recovery, THE BODY BECOMES IT'S FUNCTION! Why run 50 miles, 24 hours, do an Ironman distance or beyond triathlon, WHY DO THIS W/O (I have done all of that and more) Because the goal and benefits are: ACCLIMATION! From all those things I have : A higher lactate threshold A higher O2 uptake (my VO2 last measure 73.3) Me personally, lowers Cortisol/Enhances my recovery ability, my output is minimal from years of repeated bouts such as this Better neural system Most efficeint ATP-CP usage **** Enhanced metabolism/metabolic pathways Increased mental TENACITY Superior respiration Lower resting heart rate Golgi response My personal feelings is that in me (READ ME ONLY) it enhances vascularity (all pulmonary/respitory activity really), the ability to handle PAIN*, push my body to and beyond my mental and physical limits. MOST OF ALL HE WILL NEVER TALK SMACK AGAIN, SO YOU CAN SAY IT: BUILDS CHARACTER! Last edited by Dr. Pain : 05-19-2002 at 09:24 AM.*

05-19-2002, 09:56 AM	#37
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	Ah, i see. So 65 sets make me a better person. lol.
	Being held down by The Man

05-20-2002, 05:28 AM	#45
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,477	No disrespect meant...but I must say that unless you are a genetic superior, or, on drugs, most people would become severely overtrained on a routine like this. Not to mention that it doesn't seem too conducive to gaining mass. Not saying it doesn't work for you, b/c it might be...but for the majority, I could not see it working.
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. VPX Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

05-18-2002, 11:47 PM	#32
bigss75 Let Me See Yo Grill Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,123	Now that is a ballz out workout! Hell Yeah Brother

05-19-2002, 12:16 PM	#38
Training God Fat Fo Life Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 223	I'm going to try it.

05-19-2002, 12:19 PM	#39
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	That's the spirit, use what you can, KICK YOUR OWN ASS, butt becareful, READ THE DISCLAIMER! BTW, just because I like to go until the tendon is tearing away from the bone (feels like velcro sperating) doesn't mean anyone else shoud j/k, well sort of! DP

05-19-2002, 02:31 PM	#40
LittLe FraNk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: with god Posts: 202	if this is true u truly own.... and i commend u.... whats Vo2 oxygen intake??
	LittLe FraNk

05-19-2002, 02:36 PM	#41
LittLe FraNk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: with god Posts: 202	by traing in i such a manner ...THIS INTENSE u would have to not lift agai nfor like 48--+ hours if you are not so used to such intensity----correct but most likely u couldnt do it.... right... u are truly SiK... i commend u D-P Owns... PAIN IS WEAKNESS leaving the body <----- i love that... BRing the pain .....
	LittLe FraNk

05-19-2002, 05:15 PM	#43
Neil Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 171	Littlefrank, if you want a good beginners workout please feel free to PM me, but do yourself a favor and don't listen to Dr. Pain. If you feel so inclined as to try Dr. Pain's workouts you will find out on your own how unproductive and damaging they can be.

05-19-2002, 06:43 PM	#44
LittLe FraNk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: with god Posts: 202	i know bro i know it is way to much for me i cnat hang with him or even trying to would tear my fibers up to much and take 48-to more ohurs to completley recover ... but when you recover ' theoretically hypertrophy takes place but that more intense than what i need to create my own hypertrohpy
	LittLe FraNk

05-20-2002, 05:37 AM	#47
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,151	Hey 'Pro, I just had Satan on the phone. He wants to borrow a blanket...
	Being held down by The Man

05-20-2002, 08:24 AM	#51
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,477	I totally understand what it is to build mental strength, character, and to have heart. I took 7 years of martial arts before getting into BBing, and I think I would not have achieved what I have in BBing without the martial arts. But no amount of inner strength or character should be achieved at the expense of your physical health. Overtraining of any kind is one of the most destructive things out there!
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. VPX Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

05-20-2002, 08:41 AM	#52
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	I highly doubt that this w/o, if used the way it was meant to be used, would ruin anything more than one's ego. You people are getting caught up in numbers and missing the point.

05-20-2002, 11:47 AM	#56
Neil Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 171	Thanks TCD, but no habla. What's tres bien?

05-20-2002, 12:10 PM	#57
LittLe FraNk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: with god Posts: 202	i think showing some one they cant hang...crushes a mans ego and thats what pain said he was doing.... tryign to hurt the man and im shore he mentally and physically...did
	LittLe FraNk

05-20-2002, 10:13 PM	#58
Snake_Eyes Real American Hero Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nevada Posts: 221	I agree with GP and Chicken. For whomever asked, VO2 max is a measure of how much oxygen you can absorb. And yes, the benefit to one's lactate threshold, anaerobic work capacity and cardiovascular fitness would be extensive using similar routines.

05-20-2002, 10:50 PM	#59
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Ok ok i think its time to stop haggin on Mr.Pain. I think that everyone should know that you should never do anything unless researching it for your self. I am sure some people enjoy those types of workouts (pain) and respond well to them, others don't. Everyone here wants to learn and everyone also wants to lend a hand, i am sure he was just trying to help. Hey the w/o made me laugh. I know i couldn't possibly do it, but i know someone who would be up for the challenge. I do have one question though. Where is PowermanDL? He was the only one who said they were going to try it. Hope he is ok. LOL
	....and thats my $.02