Thread: Preacher curls do build peak, and here's why!

So if I workout my biceps they will get bigger -

read the stickies.

I am waiting for someone to say "do chinups."

who's danj112? I never heard of him......


point me to the source. It's not invite only is it?

do chinups

Originally Posted by kenwood

do chinups

+1

curls are for girls
as arnold would say, LADIE MAN!

foreman please read the stickies before you post.

Originally Posted by assassin

foreman please read the stickies before you post.

I have read all the stickys....so the fuck what.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I have read all the stickys....so the fuck what.

lol it was just a j/k........son

Originally Posted by assassin

lol it was just a joke........son

Heres a joke...


A "modern" Islamic couple, preparing for a religious wedding meets with
their Mullah for counselling. The Mullah asks if they have any last
questions before they leave. The man asks, "We realize it's a tradition
in Islam for men to dance with men, and women to dance with women. But,
at our wedding reception, we'd like your permission to dance together."

"Absolutely not," says the Mullah. "It's immoral. Men and women always
dance separately."

"So after the ceremony I can't even dance with my own wife?"

"No," answered the Mullah, "It's forbidden in Islam."

"Well, okay," says the man, "What about sex? Can we finally have sex?"

"Of course!," replies the Mullah, "Allah ho Akbar! Sex is OK within
marriage, to have children!"

"What about different positions?" asks the man.

"Allah ho Akbar! No problem," says the Mullah.

"Woman on top?" the man asks.

"Sure," says the Mullah. "Allah ho Akbar. Go for it!"

"Doggy style?"

"Sure! Allah ho Akbar!"

"On the kitchen table?"

"Yes, yes! Allah ho Akbar!"

"Can we do it with all my four wives together on rubber sheets with a
bottle of hot oil, a couple of vibrators, leather harnesses, a bucket of
honey and a porno video?"

"You may indeed. Allah ho Akbar!"

"Can we do it standing up?"

"No." says the Mullah."

"Why not?" asks the man.

"Because that could lead to dancing..."

..... o yeah sorry I was supposed to laugh..
now there's some jokes .....

Q: What do monkeys do for laughs?
A: They tell people jokes!

Q. What did the monkey say when he cut off his tail?
A. It won't be long now.

Q. Why did the monkey cross the road?
A. Because it was the chicken's day off!

Q. What is smarter than a talking monkey?
A. A spelling bee!

Q. What side of a monkey has more hair?
A. The outside.

Q. What do you call a Monkey in a tree?
A. A Branch Manager!!!

A guy walks into a bar with his pet monkey. He orders a drink and while he's drinking it the monkey is running wild. The monkey jumps up on the pool table and grabs the cue ball, sticks it in his mouth and swallows it whole.

The bartender is livid and says to the guy, "Did you see what your monkey just did?"

"No. What did that stupid monkey do this time?" says the patron.

"Well, he just swallowed the cue ball off the pool table, whole" says the bartender.

"Yeah, well I hope it kills him because he's been driving me nuts" says the patron.

The guy finishes his drink and leaves.

Two weeks later he comes back with the monkey. He orders a drink and the monkey starts running wild around the bar again. While the man is drinking his drink, the monkey finds some peanuts on the bar. He grabs one, sticks it up his butt, then pulls it out and eats it. The bartender is disgusted.

"Did you see what your monkey did now?" he asks.

"What now?" responds the patron. "Well, he stuck a peanut up his butt, then pulled it out and ate it" says the bartender.

"Well, what do you expect?" replied the patron. "Ever since he ate that darn cue ball he measures everything first!"

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

Heres a joke...


A "modern" Islamic couple, preparing for a religious wedding meets with
their Mullah for counselling. The Mullah asks if they have any last
questions before they leave. The man asks, "We realize it's a tradition
in Islam for men to dance with men, and women to dance with women. But,
at our wedding reception, we'd like your permission to dance together."

"Absolutely not," says the Mullah. "It's immoral. Men and women always
dance separately."

"So after the ceremony I can't even dance with my own wife?"

"No," answered the Mullah, "It's forbidden in Islam."

"Well, okay," says the man, "What about sex? Can we finally have sex?"

"Of course!," replies the Mullah, "Allah ho Akbar! Sex is OK within
marriage, to have children!"

"What about different positions?" asks the man.

"Allah ho Akbar! No problem," says the Mullah.

"Woman on top?" the man asks.

"Sure," says the Mullah. "Allah ho Akbar. Go for it!"

"Doggy style?"

"Sure! Allah ho Akbar!"

"On the kitchen table?"

"Yes, yes! Allah ho Akbar!"

"Can we do it with all my four wives together on rubber sheets with a
bottle of hot oil, a couple of vibrators, leather harnesses, a bucket of
honey and a porno video?"

"You may indeed. Allah ho Akbar!"

"Can we do it standing up?"

"No." says the Mullah."

"Why not?" asks the man.

"Because that could lead to dancing..."

keep that crap for open chat, this is a training forum.

Allthough most of what I read says you can't shape a muscle, I think you can, to a certain degree. So I sort of agree with this post.

Common examples: inner chest, upper chest, front delts, lower abs, wide/central back.

Originally Posted by Witchblade

Allthough most of what I read says you can't shape a muscle, I think you can, to a certain degree. So I sort of agree with this post.

Common examples: inner chest, upper chest, front delts, lower abs, wide/central back.

There is no such thing as an inner/upper/lower/outter chest. There is a sternal and clavicular head, consider them two muscles with practically the same function, Just like the deltoids have 3 heads....posterior, anterior and medial...and the triceps have 3 heads...biceps have 2 heads....there is also no such thing as lower abs. The rectus abdominus is also one muscle. When you do crunches it is trunk flexion..not working the upper abs...when you do say leg raises, the abs tilt the pelvis...flattening out the lower back, allowing the hip flexors to work more efficiently. Try doing leg raises one day before a leg workout and next week do them after, noting the difference.

When someone mentions the "upper" back they more than likely mean the muscles in that general vicinity as in posterior delts, traps, lats etc...as opposed to the "lower" back with muscles responsible for spinal flexion and hip extension.

It's a common misconception.

I know. That's what all the science says and I believe it.

Yet my (and that of many others I know) experience tells me you cán shape a muscle to a certain degree. Some examples: I've done a lot of crunching in one program and my 'upper' abs were solid, but my 'lower' abs were pretty mediocre. Then I started doing leg raises and the difference disappeared.

Same with my biceps. It got 'thicker' when I started to focus on the brachialis. And my chest got flatter when I worked the incline bench more often. Also, my front delts are very big, my medial delts are pretty big, but my rear delts are lacking. My middle and lower traps are also way more developed than my upper traps. Etc etc.

I've no idea how it can be done scientifically, but from my experience you can shape a muscle (a bit at least). Maybe it's an illusion or some coincidence in the growth pattern of my muscles, but I don't think so.

you all need to read the stickies again...


lol ..j/k

Originally Posted by Witchblade

I know. That's what all the science says and I believe it.

Yet my (and that of many others I know) experience tells me you cán shape a muscle to a certain degree. Some examples: I've done a lot of crunching in one program and my 'upper' abs were solid, but my 'lower' abs were pretty mediocre. Then I started doing leg raises and the difference disappeared.

Same with my biceps. It got 'thicker' when I started to focus on the brachialis. And my chest got flatter when I worked the incline bench more often. Also, my front delts are very big, my medial delts are pretty big, but my rear delts are lacking. My middle and lower traps are also way more developed than my upper traps. Etc etc.

I've no idea how it can be done scientifically, but from my experience you can shape a muscle (a bit at least). Maybe it's an illusion or some coincidence in the growth pattern of my muscles, but I don't think so.

change in body fat percentage could have a big effect .....as you can't change muscles shape ...

I know it goes against science but i agree with witchblade. In a way, you can shape your muscles.

I had a hard time developing my pecs, then I eventually figured out how to squeeze them during the lifts. But only the lower part of my pecs we're getting big, but the upper's still looked the same. So I figure if I concentrate on squeezing my upper pecs, they'll start getting bigger.

It's working!!!

Originally Posted by viet_jon

I know it goes against science but i agree with witchblade. In a way, you can shape your muscles.

I had a hard time developing my pecs, then I eventually figured out how to squeeze them during the lifts. But only the lower part of my pecs we're getting big, but the upper's still looked the same. So I figure if I concentrate on squeezing my upper pecs, they'll start getting bigger.

It's working!!!

http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/PectoralisClavicular.html

there is already an upper pec so you are not changing the shape of muscles you are just building a new muscle...

Originally Posted by viet_jon

I know it goes against science but i agree with witchblade. In a way, you can shape your muscles.

I had a hard time developing my pecs, then I eventually figured out how to squeeze them during the lifts. But only the lower part of my pecs we're getting big, but the upper's still looked the same. So I figure if I concentrate on squeezing my upper pecs, they'll start getting bigger.

It's working!!!

There's no "upper" pec to squeeze lol!

The sternal head of the pec makes up most of what you would consider the "upper" portion if you look at an anatomical chart.

Originally Posted by assassin

http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/PectoralisClavicular.html

there is already an upper pec so you are not changing the shape of muscles you are just building a new muscle...

http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/Med...l/mmlalpha.htm

http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/Med...l/mmlalpha.htm


http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/Med...l/mmlalpha.htm

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

There's no "upper" pec to squeeze lol!

The sternal head of the pec makes up most of what you would consider the "upper" portion if you look at an anatomical chart.

do you think it's possible to isolate regions of the Pectoralis Major (Sternal Head)?

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/Med...l/mmlalpha.htm

http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/Med...l/mmlalpha.htm


http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/Med...l/mmlalpha.htm

I'm not agreeing about squeezing to get an upper pec ..i mean that there is the clavecular head wich some people call the upper pec , i don't mean you can isolate every head but you may target the upper head more by doing inclined presses for example....but even that i don't think it have an effect on the shape of the whole muscle group , wich is predetermined by genetics ......

all the changes that occur for the shape of the muscles is due to changing of bodyfat percentage and the fat distribution among all the body, wich is changed due to weight training ........

Originally Posted by viet_jon

do you think it's possible to isolate regions of the Pectoralis Major (Sternal Head)?

If you mean isolate the sternal head over the clavicular...Maybe not isolate it per se, perhaps emphasize it...There's really almost no point though..just don't use the same angles and rep/set scheme all the time and you will be fine. I've never seen someone who obviously didn't emphasize the clavicular head of the pec....get my drift??

yes you can work the clavicular head without working the sternal head but most people when they say upper chest, they arent talking about the clavicular, they are usually talking about the upper part of the sternal- wich is impossible to work without working the whole head, you can't isolate a part of the sternal head, but you can work the clavicular head without working the sternal head.
in simple: the sternal head is one muscle, and the clavicular head is on muscle, you can't isolate one part of a muslce.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Busting a Myth: There is always the debate about shaping a muscle and it can't be done. The shape of your muscle is predetermined by your genes. I call BS, because no you can not change the general shape of your muscle fibers, but you can build certain heads of a muscle to make it appear to have a different shape.

Ex. Chest- What do people complain of all the time in their chest? That the top portion is lagging, and they have a saggy chest. What's the simple solution? Start off with an incline movement first on your chest workout.

Now to biceps. What is one of the best exercises for isolating the biceps? Preacher Curl. Which head of the bicep gives the appearance of a higher peak? The outer head. What grip puts more emphasis, and work load on the outer head? Close grip. So what is the exercise to help build peak on your biceps? Close Grip Preacher Curls. Preferrably with cambered or EZ bar, because using a straight bar is a good way to mess your wrist ligaments up

Other good exercises to mention....

DB Preacher Curls with arm leaning inward
Concentration Curls with arm leaning inward
Hammer Curls
Hammer Strength Preacher Curls
[i]Any other curling exercise where a close grip is used[/b]

With this being said, don't expect to do these exercises and have a peak like Ronnie, Arnold, or Markus Ruhl, but you will see an improvement in your bicep's peak.


danj112

what the hell do you mean by upper chest? are you talking about this part- http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/PectoralisClavicular.html or the upper part of the sternal head?!