Thread: Some "Girly" Lifting!

typical cross fit...let the people go to complete failure on an exercise that is very technical, with no regard for form in the first place.

just dangerous and stupid.

this video just pisses me off. these people are fucking morons to actually do something this dangerous. on top of it, they are doing an exercise like this on cement. how fucking stupid.

How much weight is that? And how many reps did they do like 50?

I don't know what those bumpers weigh. I also don't know if that is a womans bar, which is lighter then a mens bar. Maybe they are lifting around 65-80lbs? Who knows. Usually the yellow plates are 15kg each, but those don't look like regular bumper plates. they could be only 10lbs each?

Wow, I could do that with no practice, and I don't do C&J's...I guess it's a little impressive cuz it's scrawny little girls, but their form was kinda poo poo though. The one on the far right looked to not even catch the bar on her delts, she just held it up with her elbows almost completely down.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

Wow, I could do that with no practice, and I don't do C&J's...I guess it's a little impressive cuz it's scrawny little girls, but their form was kinda poo poo though. The one on the far right looked to not even catch the bar on her delts, she just held it up with her elbows almost completely down.

yea, the form is terrible. that is how those crosshit things usually go.

more of them girls:

pullups:
other shit:
partner pullups:
stupid IMO:

In that C&J video the girl in the yellow was totally wiped. She looked like she was going to fall every time she jerked, and the way she set the bar down was just like plyometric spinal flexion. It was ugly.

they'll all have lower back pain, tommorow heh.

I'd rather watch Dimas.

Originally Posted by ATOMSPLTR

I'd rather watch Dimas.

However, although I am not a huge Crossfit fan, I am compelled to ask what in the hell are you all on about? With the exception of the only valid comment made, "I'd rather watch Dimas.", most, if not all of your comments display a serious lack of understanding of Olympic lifting, lactate threshold training and plyometrics.

I'll pick on Pfunk first, since he's had enough coaching to know better:

What are the soles of Weightlifting shoes made of and why?
What is proper Weightlifting platform made of and why?

And yes they'll be some DOMS, but that's what lactate threshold training does.

I look forward to seeing how you defend your various erroneous positions. Perhaps after a half dozen reviews of the video I've missed something...enlighten me.

Ubercoach

red = 25kg
blue = 20kg
yellow = 15kg
green = 10kg

Ubercoach

Truthfully I dont care what they do. They look kinda comical to me.

Originally Posted by ubercoach

However, although I am not a huge Crossfit fan, I am compelled to ask what in the hell are you all on about? With the exception of the only valid comment made, "I'd rather watch Dimas.", most, if not all of your comments display a serious lack of understanding of Olympic lifting, lactate threshold training and plyometrics.

I'll pick on Pfunk first, since he's had enough coaching to know better:

What are the soles of Weightlifting shoes made of and why?
What is proper Weightlifting platform made of and why?

And yes they'll be some DOMS, but that's what lactate threshold training does.

I look forward to seeing how you defend your various erroneous positions. Perhaps after a half dozen reviews of the video I've missed something...enlighten me.

Ubercoach

wood and wood. force transfer, force absorbtion. wood has give. cement does not. NBA basketball should be played on a cement court also.

the technique is horrid in these examples. And it just gets worse as they go on (which happens when technique breaks down). What gain are they getting from slinging it up there? After awhile they aren't using the musculature properly and it because sloppy and dangerous.

Lactate training can be done in much MUCH safer ways.

Plyometics aren't done for endurance either....I take that back....True plyoemtrics (ie high level plyometrics like depth jumps) are not done for endurance because of the potential for injury. Who does depth jumps for reps of 20?.....Now, lower level plyo's can be used for timed lactate type drills, for example, I use quick feet drills with some athletes at a 1:1 work to rest ratio to deveolp this. But, a quick foot drill is not as technical as a clean, so it is a lot safer. If we are doing cleans and we want to work on work to rest and power endurance, I have them do doubles or triples, rest of a short amount of time, and then go back. The point is, the rest allows them to re-focus on the technique as well as give the CNS a slight break, before I ask them to come back and perform the lift again. We go to technical failure. I would never let someone get the point that these people do, where it just looks off the wall and unsafe.

You don't have "pick" on me. There are a number of strength coaches that agree with me.

I'll agree to disagree with you. This example, to me, is a poor example of using the olympic lifts in training and dangerous.

While you are at it, be sure to contact the NSCA and tell them that you don't agree with them:

NSCA Esentials of Strength and Conditioning, pg. 439

Landing Surface:

"To prevent injuries, the landing surface used for lower-body plyometrics must possess adequate shock absorbing properties. A grass field, suspended floor, or rubber mat is a good surface. Surfaces such as concrete, tile and hardwood are not recommended because they lack effective shock-absorbing properties."

I would agree that this would be contraindicated. I mean, they are doing a relatively slow eccentric bringing the bar to the ground after every rep.

I don't know what the point would be in doing something this risky for lactate threshold training considering I have never seen an athlete ever do more than 2 or 3 jumps consecutively. Unilateral work and sprints are much better to do for LT training, IMO.

I don't think the surface is wise, either.

All you have to do is look at their form as they go on. It turns to complete garbage. I saw loaded spinal flexion on the eccentric a few times as they got really winded.

Here's an assessment of your comments and concerns from Mike Burgener, MA, Senior International Coach, head coach of the USA Weightlifting Regional Training Center, coach and father of the most powerful 105+ kg Weightlifter in the western hemisphere, Casy Burgener, who just came in 10th the the Worlds, and coach of numerous National and Jr National Champions, with over 40 years experience as a Weightlifting coach to this video evidence of "stupid", "dangerous", flagrant disregard for NSCA plyo guidelines, and "loaded spinal flexion on the eccentric" criticism of the young women's lifting at the Crossfit training...

"They are the crossfit ladies....nicole, annie, chem girl....doing grace....30 reps in the cln and jerk for time using 65 lbs., purely metabolic!!!

"pain is weakness leaving the body!!"
- USMC
Mike Burgener

In logic this is known as arguing from authority. Point made?

Ubercoach

I really don't give a shit about his comments. I disagree with them. "Pain is weakness leaving the body" is a silly training philosophy. I agree with guys like Mike Clark, Mike Boyle and Marc Verstegan when they say that injury prevention is the most important part of any training program.

This video is just silly.

Different coaches have different reasons for doing different things. Lots of people in this industry disagree. Get over it. Burgenger is not the be all end all of sports strength training. He is smart. I like his stuff. I do agree with all of it. Why stick to only listening to one guy when there are so many great people to listen?

Again, I will agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by ubercoach

"They are the crossfit ladies....nicole, annie, chem girl....doing grace....30 reps in the cln and jerk for time using 65 lbs., purely metabolic!!!

"pain is weakness leaving the body!!"
- USMC
Mike Burgener

Anyone who sees no problem with 30 rep cleans on pavement has no authority, IMO. After about 8, their form went to shit. I can think of about 20 other methods of energy system development I would do over this. Again, show me a situation where any athlete is popping off 30 vert jumps in a row, and I will show you where this has any relevance.


"pain is weakness leaving the body!!"-Certainly holds true for a marine, but is a detrimental philosophy for smart training.

Originally Posted by ubercoach

Here's an assessment of your comments and concerns from Mike Burgener, MA, Senior International Coach, head coach of the USA Weightlifting Regional Training Center, coach and father of the most powerful 105+ kg Weightlifter in the western hemisphere, Casy Burgener, who just came in 10th the the Worlds, and coach of numerous National and Jr National Champions, with over 40 years experience as a Weightlifting coach to this video evidence of "stupid", "dangerous", flagrant disregard for NSCA plyo guidelines, and "loaded spinal flexion on the eccentric" criticism of the young women's lifting at the Crossfit training...

"They are the crossfit ladies....nicole, annie, chem girl....doing grace....30 reps in the cln and jerk for time using 65 lbs., purely metabolic!!!

"pain is weakness leaving the body!!"
- USMC
Mike Burgener

In logic this is known as arguing from authority. Point made?

Ubercoach

I'm not suggesting that training isn't metabolic. Damned straight it is! Still, there are plenty of other ways to accomplish the same thing without using such a technical exercise and having your form fall to shit.

Look at this way. Performing exercises with poor form is often more likely to cause injury. They performed these exercises with poor form for many repetitions. Therefore, one could reason that they were more likely to suffer from an injury. At least that is how I see it.

I usually agree with P-funk and I couldnt agree with him more in this thread. I'm no olympic weightlifter but I can see when form gets dangerous and those girls are heading for trouble.

As for "Pain is weakness leaving the body" - I'm off to get myself run over by a truck which, in turn should make me the most powerful man on the planet!

When should you ever do ANY exercise in bad form?

Why would you do a clean and jerk for any reason other than to improve technique and power?

Oh yeah..

I could do that. Not impressed.

Do they always train like that, or is that simply a demonstration? If it is only a demonstration, I see nothing wrong with it. I trained safe for 8 months out of the year to completely punish my body 4 months out of the year when I played football.

BTW, those chin-ups were painfully ghey. She used her entire body to hurl herself up there instead of actually pulling.

when ever i have observed a cross fit workout (and I have seen many), they always train like that.

Originally Posted by P-funk

when ever i have observed a cross fit workout (and I have seen many), they always train like that.

Then I hope those poor girls never rupture a disc.

I have to admit, I kinda liked the tabata squats where you stay in the hole for "rest." Heh.

I liked the video and thought those girls are champs.