Thread: Effective Bicep Movement Note!

Originally Posted by JimSnow

Even after only 9 months of training it's challenging to acheive that newbie soreness.

After reading a post regarding the muscle - I decided to try something. I'm generally very strict about my movements.

But I tried some fairly light preacher curls... concentrating on the full motion, as usual, but squeezing out the motion as tight as possible at the top of the lift - and holding for a few seconds.

WOW! Three days later. The soreness is still there.


I've begun dropping some poundages on my traditional movements to squeeze out some better form and intensity.

What does this equate to?

Do you believe your overall soreness is indicative of progress? If so you're wrong.

Originally Posted by largepkg

What does this equate to?

Do you believe your overall soreness is indicative of progress? If so you're wrong.

No, not entirely. It's just indicative that I've challenged the muscle in a different way.

BTW - I'm not wrong, if no other inhibiting factors are involved. Keep in mind, I'm new to this... experimenting w/ movements is part of my education. I've got a long, long way to go. Residual soreness is a great measure that you've done something your body is not accustomed to. It's up to me to figure out the dynamics.

You're reaction was obtuse.


BTW - Your gallery photos indicate your superior condition http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/ga...0/ppuser/10126... I admit. Years of training. Educate me.

Originally Posted by JimSnow

No, not entirely. It's just indicative that I've challenged the muscle in a different way.

BTW - I'm not wrong, if no other inhibiting factors are involved. Keep in mind, I'm new to this... experimenting w/ movements is part of my education. I've got a long, long way to go. Residual soreness is a great measure that you've done something your body is not accustomed to. It's up to me to figure out the dynamics.

You're reaction was obtuse.

Actually my comment was dead on, but believe what you wish.

Of course as a newbie you would feel soreness after experimenting with a new movement. Once around the block it's harder to get that good/pain feeling, but that doesn't mean you're not accomplishing anything.

When I was at my highest level I rarely felt any significant soreness. At that time I was doing some pretty intense workouts to.

Originally Posted by largepkg

Actually my comment was dead on, but believe what you wish.

Of course as a newbie you would feel soreness after experimenting with a new movement. Once around the block it's harder to get that good/pain feeling, but that doesn't mean you're not accomplishing anything.

When I was at my highest level I rarely felt any significant soreness. At that time I was doing some pretty intense workouts to.

I haven't been around the block yet, big man.

Why do you call it... "good pain"?

I like being sore sometimes, but it's not indicative of anything really. Some training techniques produce more soreness. Slower eccentrics or negatives, higher reps, drop sets/supersets, throw in an isometric pause here and there...you are gonna be hella sore.

At the end of the day it's really about putting more weight on the bar though.

I always thought pain/soreness equaled gain...i would worry if i was not suffering DOMS and critique my workout??

Now i know otherwise, i still get a kick out of being sore the next day!?

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I like being sore sometimes, but it's not indicative of anything really. Some training techniques produce more soreness. Slower eccentrics or negatives, higher reps, drop sets/supersets, throw in an isometric pause here and there...you are gonna be hella sore.

At the end of the day it's really about putting more weight on the bar though.

I know the rhetoric of the day is to negate "soreness". And, you're right... at the end of the day.

But, why do your muscles become sore? A trigger point is acheived? Why shouldn't an athelete be concerned when his muscles tell him something?

Someone tell me why soreness is a "bad indicator", at the end of the day, if diet and rest is sufficient... and why I shouldn't always strive to acheive the "good pain".


Respectfully

Originally Posted by JimSnow

I haven't been around the block yet, big man.

Why do you call it... "good pain"?

Because me likey!

Haven't we taken a big leap since Vince said, "No Pain, No Gain"?

I guess, I'm uneducated.




Why I'm here. Tell me more about "pain".

Originally Posted by JimSnow

Haven't we taken a big leap since Vince said, "No Pain, No Gain"?

I guess, I'm uneducated.




Why I'm here. Tell me more about "pain".

if you are not getting sore, does not mean you are not making gains.

DOMS: Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness is the pain felt in muscles that have been stressed beyond what they're accustomed to. Most lifters consider thist to be a "good" pain because it's an indication that you've had a good workout. As opposed to the "bad" pain experienced when you've torn a muscle or damaged a joint. Recent studies have shown DOMS tend to diminish in frequency and/or intensity as a lifter becomes more experienced. Those new to the lifting game experiend DOMS quite frequently, while those that have been lifting for a long time can almost kill themselves in a particular workout, but not feel DOMS the next day or so. So, bottom line, learn to enjoy the pain, but don't rely on it to tell you whether your program is working or not. Only the amount of weight you can lift and/or a tape measure can tell you that.

I dont believe soreness is a good indicator of progress, my biceps are rarely sore, even after heavy rows and curls, however i tried dumbell flyes a couple weeks ago, never tried them before, and the day after my biceps ached big time!

When you try a new exercise, your muscles are stressed in a new way, hence DOMS.

Originally Posted by StanUk

I dont believe soreness is a good indicator of progress, my biceps are rarely sore, even after heavy rows and curls, however i tried dumbell flyes a couple weeks ago, never tried them before, and the day after my biceps ached big time!

Hah! Try not to flex the elbow next time, eh?

Originally Posted by ALBOB

DOMS: Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness is the pain felt in muscles that have been stressed beyond what they're accustomed to. Most lifters consider thist to be a "good" pain because it's an indication that you've had a good workout. As opposed to the "bad" pain experienced when you've torn a muscle or damaged a joint. Recent studies have shown DOMS tend to diminish in frequency and/or intensity as a lifter becomes more experienced. Those new to the lifting game experiend DOMS quite frequently, while those that have been lifting for a long time can almost kill themselves in a particular workout, but not feel DOMS the next day or so. So, bottom line, learn to enjoy the pain, but don't rely on it to tell you whether your program is working or not. Only the amount of weight you can lift and/or a tape measure can tell you that.

Isn't that what we try to accomplish in our workouts?

The reasoning behind DOMS that anyone presents is still largely theory. No one really knows what it means.

Here is what I posted before (this is from one of my exercise phys. textbooks)

DOMS

whatever muscle i workout i am sore EVERY SINGLE WORKOUT WITHOUT FAIL......

Originally Posted by swordfish

whatever muscle i workout i am sore EVERY SINGLE WORKOUT WITHOUT FAIL......

Even ur delts? What about calfs? Even bi's and tri's? Abs too?

Originally Posted by swordfish

whatever muscle i workout i am sore EVERY SINGLE WORKOUT WITHOUT FAIL......

not me. I adapt pretty quick. I need drastic changes to rep schemes, routines, exercise selection, tempo etc. to get the soreness again.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

Even ur delts? What about calfs? Even bi's and tri's? Abs too?

Absolutely delts, calfs HURT Extremely bad, bis and tris are very sore too. abs, thats another story because i dont really do AN actual workout for them really, just a few side crunches and leg raises whenever i feel like it......

i do a little bit of dc training... so that might explain it




just to clarify what i said, when I ACTUALLY DO A HARD WORKOUT i am sore, not a light week or a half ass workout. AN ACTUAL TRAINING SESSION. sorry if i came off like each time i go into the gym im sore the next day even if i do a half ass session............

I haven't really done any abs yet.

You really should be able to lift your legs way past 45 degrees on a vertical leg lift. Geesh, I need to get to work!

Slowly, but surely.

I've consistently had DOMS and gains from the same leg workout for the last few months. Sadly it doesn't work like that for the rest of my body.