Machines for precise concentration?

Titansgymflunky · 12-01-2006, 11:04 PM

A guy that works at the gym told me I needed to start using the machines for my chest because only a small amount of the free weight bench press works my chest. He said it works my triceps and suporting muscles too so if I want my chest to get big quicker to use the bench press machines and they would concentrate soley on my chest.
He also told me to stick to this program he wrote,to use it for two months before I changed it.Two months seems like a long time....i thought the norm was like 6 weeks.
Anyway my name is Andy, I'm 17 and 155 last time I weighed(about a month n a half ago.) I max out benching at 165,only one rep though, :-(
I'm about 5'10 or 5'11, lean lanky build.I've been lifting weights and working out since I was about 13, but not seriously or enough to make big changes untill I was 15, n even then it was on n off. Now I've been back at it for about 3 months, and i"m at an alltime high for strength and bulking decently too. I read the stickies, I've seen that not doing so is frowned upon.Nice to meet yall.

StanUk · 12-02-2006, 03:41 AM

From first impressions, this guy sounds like a bit of a moron. Personally I wouldn't take his advice on using any kind of machine to target your chest and i would stick to bench and incline bench.

What program did he suggest to you?

**P-funk** · 12-02-2006, 08:32 AM

I wouldn't listen to him.

Post your training program here.

**CowPimp** · 12-02-2006, 08:50 AM

That guy is off in his logic. Bench press machines are still compound pressing movements that are going to incorporate your shoulders and triceps into the lift.

Witchblade · 12-02-2006, 10:31 AM

Freeweights > machines.

**P-funk** · 12-02-2006, 10:33 AM

HoHo's > Twinkies

AKIRA · 12-02-2006, 01:56 PM

Me > You

**P-funk** · 12-02-2006, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Me > You

Titansgymflunky · 12-02-2006, 04:33 PM

This guy is also trainin me on propper form of jabs punches and hooks, combo's and other stuff on a heavy bag.....is there a chance i shouldnt be takin this trainin? Oh and the routine he gave me
monday
hammer incline press 3x15
Hammer decline press 3x12
(I was considering putting in some cross overs and pull ups here.)
single arm cable pulldown 3x25
parralell dips 3x20
ab chair 3x15
side bend 3x15
( I was considering adding in some goodmornings here)
tuesday
squats 3x15
leg extensions 3x12
seated leg curl 3x15
standing box calf raise 3x15
standing single leg calf raise 3x15

wednesday
preacher db curl 3x15
reverse curl 3x12
standing forearm curl 3x15
ab chair 3x20
side bend 3x20
(on days containing abbs I was going to add some leg raises, the kind were you keep your legs as high as you can not letting them drop below the waist much)

thursday
Hammer decline press 3x15
hammer press 3x12
parallel dips 3x25
wide grip push down 3x 20

friday
front squat 3x15
squat 3x12
seated leg curl 3x15
standing single calf raise 3x20
standing box calf raise 3x15
ab chair 3x15
side bend 3x12

Any help would be greatly apreciated. Thanks

Focus · 12-02-2006, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

HoHo's > Twinkies

We agree to disagree

Focus · 12-02-2006, 06:34 PM

unless that was some sexual reference....

Witchblade · 12-02-2006, 06:37 PM

That routine could use a lot of work. First you need to implement as many freeweight exercises as possible. So ditch the hammer things. I also think you need more compound and less isolation movements.

The average routine (and just about any routine, really) includes these exercises:
- pullup
- rows
- deadlift
- squat
- bench press

mike456 · 12-03-2006, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titansgymflunky

A guy that works at the gym told me I needed to start using the machines for my chest because only a small amount of the free weight bench press works my chest. He said it works my triceps and suporting muscles too so if I want my chest to get big quicker to use the bench press machines and they would concentrate soley on my chest.
He also told me to stick to this program he wrote,to use it for two months before I changed it.Two months seems like a long time....i thought the norm was like 6 weeks.
Anyway my name is Andy, I'm 17 and 155 last time I weighed(about a month n a half ago.) I max out benching at 165,only one rep though, :-(
I'm about 5'10 or 5'11, lean lanky build.I've been lifting weights and working out since I was about 13, but not seriously or enough to make big changes untill I was 15, n even then it was on n off. Now I've been back at it for about 3 months, and i"m at an alltime high for strength and bulking decently too. I read the stickies, I've seen that not doing so is frowned upon.Nice to meet yall.

the guy that told you that is a complete dumbass, don't take any more advice from him.

**Mudge** · 12-03-2006, 03:16 PM

If you are a fighter, then why would you only want a chest when the chest itself is not the only thing that extends the arms forward as in a punch?

To extend the arms, as in a bench press or any other movement, triceps are going to be used. A bench press is a compound lift and so is a Hammer Strength version.

Isolation lifts do not make you strong nor do they make you efficiently use your ENTIRE BODY. A boxer that does nothing but cable crossovers, dumbell kickbacks and dumbell curls is going to be a weak puncher. When you punch you use the hips as well, so why is he having you concentrate on "chest only" as he believes? Because he is an idiot. Maybe he just wants you to look pretty when you get knocked out.

PWGriffin · 12-03-2006, 03:28 PM

yeah, that routine has no back work in it at all....what a dufus.

rahaas · 12-03-2006, 04:18 PM

I think I'd be doing a bit more research on this individual's background before taking advise from him.

To be the best you can be, you need to learn from the best you can find and have the credentials to back it up.

Titansgymflunky · 12-04-2006, 08:19 AM

thanks for all the help....I'll be doing as many free weights as i can

Titansgymflunky · 12-04-2006, 08:23 AM

pull ups, squats, bench press, rows.........Sorry I know i'm going to sound like an idiot...... How do you go about doing a deadlift??? sorry i know this is a big part of weight lifting but i just learned how to do a good morning the other day. Please enlighten me on how to do a deadlift.

**P-funk** · 12-04-2006, 08:25 AM

you are learning good mornings before deadlifts?

Titansgymflunky · 12-04-2006, 09:04 AM

yea. Kinda messed up aint it?

**P-funk** · 12-04-2006, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titansgymflunky

yea. Kinda messed up aint it?

kind of ass backwards.

Titansgymflunky · 12-04-2006, 09:15 AM

yea... I've gone a few years without knowing one of the most important excersises

Titansgymflunky · 12-04-2006, 09:18 AM

Is it cmplicated form with the deadlift? Or is it somthing you can tell me the jist of on the board?

mike456 · 12-04-2006, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titansgymflunky

Is it cmplicated form with the deadlift? Or is it somthing you can tell me the jist of on the board?

http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/Erec...BDeadlift.html

12-01-2006, 11:04 PM	#1
Titansgymflunky Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 147	Machines for precise concentration? BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com A guy that works at the gym told me I needed to start using the machines for my chest because only a small amount of the free weight bench press works my chest. He said it works my triceps and suporting muscles too so if I want my chest to get big quicker to use the bench press machines and they would concentrate soley on my chest. He also told me to stick to this program he wrote,to use it for two months before I changed it.Two months seems like a long time....i thought the norm was like 6 weeks. Anyway my name is Andy, I'm 17 and 155 last time I weighed(about a month n a half ago.) I max out benching at 165,only one rep though, :-( I'm about 5'10 or 5'11, lean lanky build.I've been lifting weights and working out since I was about 13, but not seriously or enough to make big changes untill I was 15, n even then it was on n off. Now I've been back at it for about 3 months, and i"m at an alltime high for strength and bulking decently too. I read the stickies, I've seen that not doing so is frowned upon.Nice to meet yall.

12-02-2006, 08:32 AM	#3
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,269	I wouldn't listen to him. Post your training program here.
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12-02-2006, 08:50 AM	#4
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12-02-2006, 10:31 AM	#5
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12-02-2006, 10:33 AM	#6
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12-02-2006, 03:41 AM	#2
StanUk Light weight! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a galaxy far far away Posts: 679 Photos: 1	From first impressions, this guy sounds like a bit of a moron. Personally I wouldn't take his advice on using any kind of machine to target your chest and i would stick to bench and incline bench. What program did he suggest to you?

12-02-2006, 01:56 PM	#7
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12-02-2006, 04:33 PM	#9
Titansgymflunky Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 147	This guy is also trainin me on propper form of jabs punches and hooks, combo's and other stuff on a heavy bag.....is there a chance i shouldnt be takin this trainin? Oh and the routine he gave me monday hammer incline press 3x15 Hammer decline press 3x12 (I was considering putting in some cross overs and pull ups here.) single arm cable pulldown 3x25 parralell dips 3x20 ab chair 3x15 side bend 3x15 ( I was considering adding in some goodmornings here) tuesday squats 3x15 leg extensions 3x12 seated leg curl 3x15 standing box calf raise 3x15 standing single leg calf raise 3x15 wednesday preacher db curl 3x15 reverse curl 3x12 standing forearm curl 3x15 ab chair 3x20 side bend 3x20 (on days containing abbs I was going to add some leg raises, the kind were you keep your legs as high as you can not letting them drop below the waist much) thursday Hammer decline press 3x15 hammer press 3x12 parallel dips 3x25 wide grip push down 3x 20 friday front squat 3x15 squat 3x12 seated leg curl 3x15 standing single calf raise 3x20 standing box calf raise 3x15 ab chair 3x15 side bend 3x12 Any help would be greatly apreciated. Thanks

12-02-2006, 06:34 PM	#11
Focus Defense Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 593	unless that was some sexual reference....

12-02-2006, 06:37 PM	#12
Witchblade Succinct Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Holland Posts: 4,208 Photos: 2	That routine could use a lot of work. First you need to implement as many freeweight exercises as possible. So ditch the hammer things. I also think you need more compound and less isolation movements. The average routine (and just about any routine, really) includes these exercises: - pullup - rows - deadlift - squat - bench press
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12-03-2006, 03:16 PM	#14
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,956 Photos: 1	If you are a fighter, then why would you only want a chest when the chest itself is not the only thing that extends the arms forward as in a punch? To extend the arms, as in a bench press or any other movement, triceps are going to be used. A bench press is a compound lift and so is a Hammer Strength version. Isolation lifts do not make you strong nor do they make you efficiently use your ENTIRE BODY. A boxer that does nothing but cable crossovers, dumbell kickbacks and dumbell curls is going to be a weak puncher. When you punch you use the hips as well, so why is he having you concentrate on "chest only" as he believes? Because he is an idiot. Maybe he just wants you to look pretty when you get knocked out.
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12-03-2006, 04:18 PM	#16
rahaas Junior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 90	I think I'd be doing a bit more research on this individual's background before taking advise from him. To be the best you can be, you need to learn from the best you can find and have the credentials to back it up.

12-04-2006, 08:19 AM	#17
Titansgymflunky Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 147	thanks for all the help....I'll be doing as many free weights as i can

12-04-2006, 08:23 AM	#18
Titansgymflunky Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 147	pull ups, squats, bench press, rows.........Sorry I know i'm going to sound like an idiot...... How do you go about doing a deadlift??? sorry i know this is a big part of weight lifting but i just learned how to do a good morning the other day. Please enlighten me on how to do a deadlift.

12-04-2006, 08:25 AM	#19
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,269	you are learning good mornings before deadlifts?
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12-04-2006, 09:04 AM	#20
Titansgymflunky Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 147	yea. Kinda messed up aint it?

12-04-2006, 09:15 AM	#22
Titansgymflunky Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 147	yea... I've gone a few years without knowing one of the most important excersises

12-04-2006, 09:18 AM	#23
Titansgymflunky Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 147	Is it cmplicated form with the deadlift? Or is it somthing you can tell me the jist of on the board?

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