ok, so I'm a fatass

PWGriffin · 12-05-2006, 07:33 PM

I got pinched yesterday and it came back that I'm almost 20% bf...(I'm only 10lbs heavier than in my avatar, does that sound right?)

I've already cleaned up my diet quite a bit, but I need to add in some cardio. When should I do it? I lift 4 days a week...my off days are wednesday and the weekend.

I'm thinkin HIT style, on wednesday and saturday. But hell I am open to suggestions...I'm a trainer too, so I can do cardio virtually whenever....what would you do?

PWGriffin · 12-05-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by goandykid

Are you cutting/bulking?

....

next.

goandykid · 12-05-2006, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

....

next.

Productive...

Sounds like you already know your answer then, I'm not going to assume anything for someone I don't know.

AKIRA · 12-05-2006, 07:49 PM

**Mudge** · 12-05-2006, 07:57 PM

Well, you dont have to be heavy to be fat. My bodyfat was high long before I knew anything about bulking diets, and yet I was still a little on the light side, thats just the way my natural genetics are. I did drink quite a bit of milk as a kid though, and that is loaded with carbs and fat as you know. Either way I ended up rather ecto/endo at the same time.

With your shirt on in your avatar, there is no way anyone could tell. Do you have confidence in the person who tested you? Was it a 3 point, 7 or 9 or what? Do you see rippling cords of shredded vascular muscle that would make you call them into question?

**P-funk** · 12-05-2006, 09:29 PM

how sure of the person doing the pinching are you?

those things can be pretty messed up.

PWGriffin · 12-05-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

how sure of the person doing the pinching are you?

those things can be pretty messed up.

I personally think it's off. That would mean when I was 204 I was closer to 26% or so...

**P-funk** · 12-05-2006, 09:49 PM

honestly....who the fuck cares what a caliper says or the scale says.

if you are a fat ass....you know it when you look in the mirror. You don't need to be told.

I hate when some obese person comes in the gym and the owner of the studio I train out of has them step on the scale and then measures their waist and then tests their body fat.....like...duh! They are fucking fat. They know they are fat. that is why they are here. She tells me "well, it is just to show them that they are making progress and let them see it.".....I am thinking (a) no one that trains with you ever makes progress because you are dumbas fuck and will have this woman wasting her time with 20min. of a abs floor routine and (b) if they are making progress they are going to know they are making progress....they feel it....I train this one woman and the owner is mad at me because I never weighed her or did her BF when we started.....Did I need to? the fact that after a few weeks she was telling me that her work uniforms were all fitting better, she feels less bloated and healthier is enough to go on.

Mista · 12-05-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

honestly....who the fuck cares what a caliper says or the scale says.

if you are a fat ass....you know it when you look in the mirror. You don't need to be told.

I hate when some obese person comes in the gym and the owner of the studio I train out of has them step on the scale and then measures their waist and then tests their body fat.....like...duh! They are fucking fat. They know they are fat. that is why they are here. She tells me "well, it is just to show them that they are making progress and let them see it.".....I am thinking (a) no one that trains with you ever makes progress because you are dumbas fuck and will have this woman wasting her time with 20min. of a abs floor routine and (b) if they are making progress they are going to know they are making progress....they feel it....I train this one woman and the owner is mad at me because I never weighed her or did her BF when we started.....Did I need to? the fact that after a few weeks she was telling me that her work uniforms were all fitting better, she feels less bloated and healthier is enough to go on.

I agree. I have stopped weighing myself lately.

**P-funk** · 12-05-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mista

I agree. I have stopped weighing myself lately.

yea, it is silly. I mean, once we get on down the road and the person has become more comfortable with themself and they have lost some weight or inches, we will weigh and do body fat testing to gauge our progress, but initially, nope.

A person knows when they are fat. Just like they know when they are skinny.

PWGriffin · 12-05-2006, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

yea, it is silly. I mean, once we get on down the road and the person has become more comfortable with themself and they have lost some weight or inches, we will weigh and do body fat testing to gauge our progress, but initially, nope.

A person knows when they are fat. Just like they know when they are skinny.

We have to do evaluations every 6 weeks...

So what about the guy who doesn't want to lose a bunch of weight and actually wants to build muscle..what do I tell him? The first few weeks are learning movements and getting settled in...

slip · 12-06-2006, 04:01 AM

PW - does your bodyfat measurement need to be a certain % for some practical reason, or is physique and appearance more important? I don't know anyone personally who needs their BF at a certain level, its all about looks.

I don't care if im 5930234%. If I'm healthy, and look good, then sweet. I've stopped measuring now because everyone is too innacurate, and it doesn't matter, it's all about the visuals for me.

Are you happy with your BF level and how you look? (in relation to fat levels)

*in answer to your question - we've had some boys at work (other PT's) doing 12wk challenges, with lifting and cardio in the same day, sometimes successively, with excellent results. 4-5 cardio/wk, strict diet, 3-4 weights/wk (keeping in mind compromised recovery with diet/cardio) and wicked results, 13%bf drop in 12wks.

**P-funk** · 12-06-2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

We have to do evaluations every 6 weeks...

So what about the guy who doesn't want to lose a bunch of weight and actually wants to build muscle..what do I tell him? The first few weeks are learning movements and getting settled in...

you can test him right off the bat with anthropomorphic measurements. he is less likely to feel uncomfortable than someone who is 100lbs over fat.

largepkg · 12-06-2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I got pinched yesterday and it came back that I'm almost 20% bf...(I'm only 10lbs heavier than in my avatar, does that sound right?)

I've already cleaned up my diet quite a bit, but I need to add in some cardio. When should I do it? I lift 4 days a week...my off days are wednesday and the weekend.

I'm thinkin HIT style, on wednesday and saturday. But hell I am open to suggestions...I'm a trainer too, so I can do cardio virtually whenever....what would you do?

Kinda funny you bring this up. I've been off of training for about 6 months due to injury. During this time my weight went from 262lbs to 231lbs. I just had my BF% checked last week because I started training again and it went from 10% @262lbs to 16% @231lbs.

Obviously this is due to poor diet and zero lifting. It's still very strange to lose 31lbs and gain 6 points in body fat. This will change quickly because I'm back!

PWGriffin · 12-06-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by largepkg

Kinda funny you bring this up. I've been off of training for about 6 months due to injury. During this time my weight went from 262lbs to 231lbs. I just had my BF% checked last week because I started training again and it went from 10% @262lbs to 16% @231lbs.

Obviously this is due to poor diet and zero lifting. It's still very strange to lose 31lbs and gain 6 points in body fat. This will change quickly because I'm back!

damn that sux....but yeah the loss in muscle changes the composition.

AKIRA · 12-06-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

how sure of the person doing the pinching are you?

those things can be pretty messed up.

When I was measured as 20%, it seemed a little unbelievable to think of myself as 1/5th was fat. The number did go down though...

**P-funk** · 12-06-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

When I was measured as 20%, it seemed a little unbelievable to think of myself as 1/5th was fat. The number did go down though...

right, and that is the important thing.....even if the number is wrong (maybe do to operator error) all that matters is that you get tested by teh same person and you see progress.

If I have a scale that is 10lbs heavy, does it really matter that I get on it and it says I am 190lbs? If my goal is to loose weight and I get down to 185, the main thing is that I lost 5lbs....even if the scale is 10lbs heavy, all that matters is that there was a consistent measuing system being used.

katt · 12-06-2006, 05:48 PM

IMO HIT cardio would be good, I would combine it with moderate also... When i'm cutting, I do three days of cardio a week only - on the same day I lift.. Lift in the a.m., cardio p.m... that way I get a day of complete rest between workouts..

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P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,136	honestly....who the fuck cares what a caliper says or the scale says. if you are a fat ass....you know it when you look in the mirror. You don't need to be told. I hate when some obese person comes in the gym and the owner of the studio I train out of has them step on the scale and then measures their waist and then tests their body fat.....like...duh! They are fucking fat. They know they are fat. that is why they are here. She tells me "well, it is just to show them that they are making progress and let them see it.".....I am thinking (a) no one that trains with you ever makes progress because you are dumbas fuck and will have this woman wasting her time with 20min. of a abs floor routine and (b) if they are making progress they are going to know they are making progress....they feel it....I train this one woman and the owner is mad at me because I never weighed her or did her BF when we started.....Did I need to? the fact that after a few weeks she was telling me that her work uniforms were all fitting better, she feels less bloated and healthier is enough to go on.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

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slip Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 346	PW - does your bodyfat measurement need to be a certain % for some practical reason, or is physique and appearance more important? I don't know anyone personally who needs their BF at a certain level, its all about looks. I don't care if im 5930234%. If I'm healthy, and look good, then sweet. I've stopped measuring now because everyone is too innacurate, and it doesn't matter, it's all about the visuals for me. Are you happy with your BF level and how you look? (in relation to fat levels) *in answer to your question - we've had some boys at work (other PT's) doing 12wk challenges, with lifting and cardio in the same day, sometimes successively, with excellent results. 4-5 cardio/wk, strict diet, 3-4 weights/wk (keeping in mind compromised recovery with diet/cardio) and wicked results, 13%bf drop in 12wks.
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katt Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,903 Photos: 37	IMO HIT cardio would be good, I would combine it with moderate also... When i'm cutting, I do three days of cardio a week only - on the same day I lift.. Lift in the a.m., cardio p.m... that way I get a day of complete rest between workouts..

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