Noobish Questions

cwa2008 · 12-14-2006, 07:38 PM

Ya... I know. What is the proper form for deadlifts? I've only done it a couple times and afterwards my back kinda hurt.

The only time I did it was back in... jesus it was probably freshman year. Now that I'm off the gay-ass school program im looking for some more leg lifts besides squats.

BTW, which is better, front or back squat? Is one better?

Squaggleboggin · 12-14-2006, 07:45 PM

You can find deadlift form at a place like stumptuous (Google it - I'm not sure if it's .com or .net and I'm too lazy to check).

As for the squats, they have different purposes, really. The front squat involves much more core musculature and a much different overall feel (plus the need for increased flexibility in the wrists to perform). Try them both and see which you like more or simply rotate them in and out of your routine.

cwa2008 · 12-14-2006, 07:50 PM

I pretty much abandoned front squats... hurts my wrists too much! I also noticed that my arms and shoulder would get tired before my legs.
Would you recommend that I keep trying anyway or is it that big of a deal?

Squaggleboggin · 12-14-2006, 07:57 PM

It can be tough at first. It definitely isn't comfortable, but you get used to it. Sometimes I would load extra weight on the bar, keep it on the rack, and just stand with it in position, putting as much pressure on myself in the proper position as necessary to get used to it. Then unload some weight and try again.

Personally I think front squats are much better than back squats, but that's a definite bias I have based on my goals. I even go so far as to do overhead Bulgarian squats. It's actually a little ridiculous. But I like it.

cwa2008 · 12-14-2006, 08:12 PM

Cool. I'll give it a try.

DOMS · 12-14-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cwa2008

Ya... I know. What is the proper form for deadlifts? I've only done it a couple times and afterwards my back kinda hurt.

Maybe it's just me, but when I do my Deadlifts right, my back always hurts.

That's your reward for a good Deadlift!

**Gazhole** · 12-15-2006, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

I even go so far as to do overhead Bulgarian squats. It's actually a little ridiculous. But I like it.

Dude, you rule.

Ive done Bulgarians, and ive done Overheads, but never thought of marrying the two. That takes some serious stability right there.

fufu · 12-15-2006, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cwa2008

I pretty much abandoned front squats... hurts my wrists too much! I also noticed that my arms and shoulder would get tired before my legs.
Would you recommend that I keep trying anyway or is it that big of a deal?

If your arms are getting tired you might not be positioning the bar correctly. Your arms should be just there, they aren't meant to hold the bar in place.

**CowPimp** · 12-15-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fufu

If your arms are getting tired you might not be positioning the bar correctly. Your arms should be just there, they aren't meant to hold the bar in place.

Agreed. Also, the wrist pain is a good indicator that his elbows are sagging big time when he does front squats. Keep your elbows up so the weight is supported by your shoulders, not by your wrists.

Squaggleboggin · 12-16-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gazhole

Dude, you rule.

Ive done Bulgarians, and ive done Overheads, but never thought of marrying the two. That takes some serious stability right there.

I thank you kindly, sir. It's quickly become my favorite kind of squat - all others seem far inferior. There's no way I can use 75 pounds for triples and be sweating with any other kind of squat. I can't wait to start moving some real weight with this and the Turkish get up. Doing get ups right after these will definitely make you sore the first time. I relearned that lesson a couple days ago. But it'll make your shoulder and core strength fly through the roof. Enough rambling.

I also concur about the wrists. Keep your elbows as high as humanly possible. Your elbows should be at least as high as your shoulders (but still keep your back straight). No one said it was easy, but it's better than getting up to 315, going down, and bumping your elbow on your knee, breaking your wrists and dropping the weight on yourself. Better to do it right from the start.

AKIRA · 12-16-2006, 05:24 PM

Heres a "noobish question."

Define triples..

Hmm, thats more like a statement or a command.

lucifuge · 12-16-2006, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOMS

Maybe it's just me, but when I do my Deadlifts right, my back always hurts.

That's your reward for a good Deadlift!

This pretty much says it all

Squaggleboggin · 12-16-2006, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Heres a "noobish question."

Define triples..

Hmm, thats more like a statement or a command.

Three reps per set. Coincidentally I usually also perform three sets, but a triple simply means three reps in a set.

AKIRA · 12-16-2006, 08:22 PM

Hmm. I guess its a strictly max strength setup.

I was looking at a turkish get up vid a while ago. Those seem hard, but look fun to do. Really gives "full body" a clear meaning.

Squaggleboggin · 12-17-2006, 11:07 AM

Yes, it does. I've seen a video of someone doing an example Turkish get up with an Olympic bar and a 45 on each side. It made me wonder if there is any official record of a Turkish get up with an Olympic bar. To me, 135 seems very far away. I'll get there some day though.

Double D · 12-17-2006, 11:10 AM

As far as deads go, be sure you keep the bar as close to your shins as possible. If you let it get away from your body you will have an arch in your back.

Spud · 12-17-2006, 11:14 AM

I could never figure that bit out. It always hits my knee either on the way up or the way down.

Double D · 12-17-2006, 11:16 AM

I have had scabs on my shins before. It is just the only way to go to try and avoid injury.

Squaggleboggin · 12-17-2006, 11:19 AM

Most powerlifting competitions require knee socks so the bar doesn't get bloody. Keeping the bar close to your body gives you maximum leverage, which also equates to less pressure on the back. So, it's safer and it allows you to move more weight.

AKIRA · 12-17-2006, 01:54 PM

Ive noticed sometimes when I deadlift that maybe I am holding the bar too close. I even catch myself abducting my knees to move them out of the bar's way.

JimSnow · 12-17-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

I have had scabs on my shins before. It is just the only way to go to try and avoid injury.

Geesh... you guys are serious.

The couple of years I spent working out in my 20s I managed a 500DL. I always felt it an awkward movement though my form was good (I was told).

Maybe curling a large stone would be "more natural"?

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12-14-2006, 07:45 PM	#2
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	You can find deadlift form at a place like stumptuous (Google it - I'm not sure if it's .com or .net and I'm too lazy to check). As for the squats, they have different purposes, really. The front squat involves much more core musculature and a much different overall feel (plus the need for increased flexibility in the wrists to perform). Try them both and see which you like more or simply rotate them in and out of your routine.
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12-14-2006, 07:50 PM	#3
cwa2008 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23	I pretty much abandoned front squats... hurts my wrists too much! I also noticed that my arms and shoulder would get tired before my legs. Would you recommend that I keep trying anyway or is it that big of a deal?
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12-14-2006, 07:57 PM	#4
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	It can be tough at first. It definitely isn't comfortable, but you get used to it. Sometimes I would load extra weight on the bar, keep it on the rack, and just stand with it in position, putting as much pressure on myself in the proper position as necessary to get used to it. Then unload some weight and try again. Personally I think front squats are much better than back squats, but that's a definite bias I have based on my goals. I even go so far as to do overhead Bulgarian squats. It's actually a little ridiculous. But I like it.
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12-14-2006, 08:12 PM	#5
cwa2008 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23	Cool. I'll give it a try.
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12-16-2006, 08:22 PM	#14
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 7,510 Photos: 3	Hmm. I guess its a strictly max strength setup. I was looking at a turkish get up vid a while ago. Those seem hard, but look fun to do. Really gives "full body" a clear meaning.
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12-17-2006, 11:07 AM	#15
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	Yes, it does. I've seen a video of someone doing an example Turkish get up with an Olympic bar and a 45 on each side. It made me wonder if there is any official record of a Turkish get up with an Olympic bar. To me, 135 seems very far away. I'll get there some day though.
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12-17-2006, 11:10 AM	#16
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,901	As far as deads go, be sure you keep the bar as close to your shins as possible. If you let it get away from your body you will have an arch in your back.
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Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,901	I have had scabs on my shins before. It is just the only way to go to try and avoid injury.
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12-17-2006, 11:19 AM	#19
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	Most powerlifting competitions require knee socks so the bar doesn't get bloody. Keeping the bar close to your body gives you maximum leverage, which also equates to less pressure on the back. So, it's safer and it allows you to move more weight.
	Push yourself. Enjoy yourself. Be yourself. Knowledge is power. Obsessed with functional strength. Journal

12-17-2006, 01:54 PM	#20
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 7,510 Photos: 3	Ive noticed sometimes when I deadlift that maybe I am holding the bar too close. I even catch myself abducting my knees to move them out of the bar's way.
	6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 360 (11/29) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

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