benching for shoulders, not overhead presses

GoLdeN M 07 · 12-29-2006, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mags

You gotta be kidding me? How do you think they got that big? Apart form shit loads of drugs, they didn't keep getting bigger by just benching or military pressing. Have you not seen the vids and pics or Ronnie and jay etc dumbell pressing?

ok youre right.

but If youre saying they didnt get big shoulders by just benching, military pressing or using alot of drugs than what are u saying they do? I mean youre saying 'just' to military presses too and thats what you are going for and trying to prove me wrong.

GoLdeN M 07 · 12-29-2006, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

Musclebuilding powder isn't going to diddly if you aren't getting enough calories, sorry to say. There is more to a good diet than using a weight gainer supplement. Those are generally garbage. I would check the diet & nutrition section out.

Yea but muscle milk has alot of calories too. One serving has around 350 and its high in lean lipids for allowing protein synthesis (if 'lean' lipids do that, correct me if im wrong). And if it doesnt have enough fat i need i always just have a bowl of salad with olive oil.

The only problem with muscle milk is that it probably doesnt have enough carbs.

Other than that it tastes really great, it increases creatine production in your own body, rapid muscle reapir, better than 'weight gainers'.......good shit

**Mudge** · 12-29-2006, 09:11 AM

If you want more creatine just take creatine, no matter what you do stimulating natural production will never compare to direct supplementation.

And what in the world are "lean fats?" That must be as elusive as low-carb carbs.

I pretty much dropped shoulders from my routine some time back as an experiment and I believe it eventually lead to my shoulder injuries (primarly on my left side). I worked up to a 425 bench with just minor side lateral work, but for my structure I do believe some shoulder work is mandatory.

**Mudge** · 12-29-2006, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

Yea i got a few things covered now:
For diet i dont need to worry so much because i recently just bought some musclebuilding powder-muscle milk.

Horseshit in a can, but tastes like Nestle's. Yeah thats all you need to get hooge and ripped and be the next Mr. Olympia!

Not really, get your diet moving or wonder for years and years why you aren't where you want to be. Muscle Milk?

GoLdeN M 07 · 12-29-2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Horseshit in a can, but tastes like Nestle's. Yeah thats all you need to get hooge and ripped and be the next Mr. Olympia!

Not really, get your diet moving or wonder for years and years why you aren't where you want to be. Muscle Milk?

I just started using muscle milk a week or 2 ago.

**Mudge** · 12-29-2006, 09:33 AM

You should be sportin' 20 inchers by now!

GoLdeN M 07 · 12-29-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

You should be sportin' 20 inchers by now!

lol what the fuck are u talking about??? Its fast but not a damn miracle

and besides i thought u said it was nestle horshit in a can

mike456 · 12-29-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

lol what the fuck are u talking about??? Its fast but not a damn miracle

and besides i thought u said it was nestle horshit in a can

... ever heard of sarcasm

AKIRA · 12-29-2006, 03:13 PM

Muscle milk isnt bad, but its not the best. In fact, id say its best for beginners to get used to the TASTE of protein powders. Its good, but its not THAT good.

GoLdeN M 07 · 12-29-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Muscle milk isnt bad, but its not the best. In fact, id say its best for beginners to get used to the TASTE of protein powders. Its good, but its not THAT good.

If its not the best then what is the best? I mean as long as its safe and very effective i'll go to vitamin shoppe and get it.

And mike544whatever stay the fuck out of this , you just make me wanna kick your ass more and more. I just want to ask a damn question without coming back and seeing that you have the last post.

Double D · 12-29-2006, 04:57 PM

I dont like it. Muscle milk is not one of the best proteins. I buy whey and thats it. If I were to pick another protein it would be caesein of course. Other than that theres no reason to buy something that can be so easily obtained via food.

AKIRA · 12-29-2006, 05:04 PM

CytoSport (same people that make MuscleMilk) make a Whey shake that is quite tasty. I buy that and their CytoGain when I can. Chocolate Mint. Yum!

Syntha 6 is good, and I like Lee Labradas Pro-V even though its a milk based protein.

GoLdeN M 07 · 12-30-2006, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

CytoSport (same people that make MuscleMilk) make a Whey shake that is quite tasty. I buy that and their CytoGain when I can. Chocolate Mint. Yum!

Syntha 6 is good, and I like Lee Labradas Pro-V even though its a milk based protein.

Are these all muscle building supplements that are better than muscle milk or just stuff that you like? Do they promote rapid muscle tissue rapair or are they just great because they're whey?

And Double D, I dont think you can find evopro in regular foods. Its only in muscle milk.

fufu · 12-30-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GoLdeN M 07

Everyone says if you want big shoulders you need to do overhead presses and dumbell raises.

No they haven't.

12-29-2006, 09:11 AM	#33
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,956 Photos: 1	If you want more creatine just take creatine, no matter what you do stimulating natural production will never compare to direct supplementation. And what in the world are "lean fats?" That must be as elusive as low-carb carbs. I pretty much dropped shoulders from my routine some time back as an experiment and I believe it eventually lead to my shoulder injuries (primarly on my left side). I worked up to a 425 bench with just minor side lateral work, but for my structure I do believe some shoulder work is mandatory.
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12-29-2006, 09:33 AM	#36
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,956 Photos: 1	You should be sportin' 20 inchers by now!
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12-29-2006, 03:13 PM	#39
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 7,494 Photos: 3	Muscle milk isnt bad, but its not the best. In fact, id say its best for beginners to get used to the TASTE of protein powders. Its good, but its not THAT good.
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12-29-2006, 04:57 PM	#41
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,901	I dont like it. Muscle milk is not one of the best proteins. I buy whey and thats it. If I were to pick another protein it would be caesein of course. Other than that theres no reason to buy something that can be so easily obtained via food.
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12-29-2006, 05:04 PM	#42
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 7,494 Photos: 3	CytoSport (same people that make MuscleMilk) make a Whey shake that is quite tasty. I buy that and their CytoGain when I can. Chocolate Mint. Yum! Syntha 6 is good, and I like Lee Labradas Pro-V even though its a milk based protein.
	6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 360 (11/29) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

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