Another Boyle Article

**CowPimp** · 12-28-2006, 09:05 PM

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1389282

It's called "6 Things I Really Dislike." Good shit. Boyle's articles are always a good read.

Double D · 12-28-2006, 09:13 PM

I like number 2 and 4.

Far to many guys say they cant squat because of their knees

And I have seen alot of guys say, "I can bench press 300". And watch them do it and it looks like the spotter is having a harder time with it then him.

**P-funk** · 12-28-2006, 09:28 PM

I agree 1-6.

Double D · 12-28-2006, 09:33 PM

Well I think theres a time and place for people to use pulldowns. And this place would be if theres no dip belt present. Other than that, yes I think pullups and chins should be in place of pulldowns.

**CowPimp** · 12-28-2006, 09:42 PM

I still say pulldowns are fine for variety sake. Nonetheless, I rarely use anything but pull/chinup variations in my own programs and any client's program who is capable of doing them.

**P-funk** · 12-28-2006, 09:45 PM

I don't ever use them actually...for myself or for clients that can do pull ups. The only people I have do pull downs are woman or men who can't do a pull up yet. I always opt for the pull ups though.

I agree 110% on the not holding onto the stairmill and the treadmill. That used to drive me friggin' nuts!

fufu · 12-28-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

I don't ever use them actually...for myself or for clients that can do pull ups. The only people I have do pull downs are woman or men who can't do a pull up yet. I always opt for the pull ups though.

I agree 110% on the not holding onto the stairmill and the treadmill. That used to drive me friggin' nuts!

Not to be a dick, but I remember you logging pulldowns in your journal.

**P-funk** · 12-28-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fufu

Not to be a dick, but I remember you logging pulldowns in your journal.

I have done them before.....But, I don't think you could find it in the past 6 months. I just don't do them. And when did do them, it was maybe one workout and then not again, and there was probably a reason that I was doing them....like my hand was fucked up or something. But, other then that.....I don't use them.

fufu · 12-28-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

I have done them before.....But, I don't think you could find it in the past 6 months. I just don't do them. And when did do them, it was maybe one workout and then not again, and there was probably a reason that I was doing them....like my hand was fucked up or something. But, other then that.....I don't use them.

Ah I see. Well, to be fair I remember you saying you hated doing them.

I used to like pulldowns, but I stopped doing them and focused more on pull up strength...because I wanted to get better at them.

I started doing pulldowns unilaterally and I really like them like that.

fufu · 12-28-2006, 10:31 PM

Good article. I like the squat depth part. In fact, I was just thinking today how I could manage a good arguement with someone the next time they told me squatting as deep as I do is bad for the knees.

Bakerboy · 12-28-2006, 10:45 PM

I think the picture of the baby squatting was hilarious.

Not only should we all be able to squat that deep we should also be able to just hang out like that- sitting in chairs all day is not helping us with our ankle flexibility.

fufu · 12-28-2006, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bakerboy

I think the picture of the baby squatting was hilarious.

Not only should we all be able to squat that deep we should also be able to just hang out like that- sitting in chairs all day is not helping us with our ankle flexibility.

True story. I hate sitting.

I always forget about my posture. I was actually thinking earlier today how I wished there was some sort of device that could support you standing. Strange...

fufu · 12-28-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fufu

In fact, I was just thinking today how I could manage a good arguement with someone the next time they told me squatting as deep as I do is bad for the knees.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fufu

True story. I hate sitting.

I always forget about my posture. I was actually thinking earlier today how I wished there was some sort of device that could support you standing. Strange...

Very strange...

depaul · 12-28-2006, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fufu

True story. I hate sitting. I always forget about my posture. I was actually thinking earlier today how I wished there was some sort of device that could support you standing. Strange...

A wall?

I confess that I was not thinking about this earlier today.

fufu · 12-28-2006, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by depaul

A wall?

I confess that I was not thinking about this earlier today.

Yes but then I would have to put my computer set up in a very bad position for my room. The chair is more functional at this point.

wilwn · 12-28-2006, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bakerboy

I think the picture of the baby squatting was hilarious.

Not only should we all be able to squat that deep we should also be able to just hang out like that- sitting in chairs all day is not helping us with our ankle flexibility.

forget about ankle flexibility. it's our hamstring flexibility that suffers the most.

depaul · 12-28-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fufu

Yes but then I would have to put my computer set up in a very bad position for my room. The chair is more functional at this point.

Sometimes I kneel at my computer...

err,

fufu · 12-28-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by depaul

Sometimes I kneel at my computer...

err,

I do too sometimes actually...but I stopped people it can bother my knee.

Gordo · 12-29-2006, 04:42 AM

Kinda says it all doesn't it? In it's earliest form before chairs, that's how people sat, for hours. Still a popular form in Asia.

Notice her arse ain't on the ground. I wish I could go that low

Without squatting ability, it would be hard to use one of these in Asia:

ReproMan · 12-29-2006, 06:37 AM

Well I'm gonna have to disagree with #2. While I just re-introduced squats to my routine, I'm in extreme pain even when doing a bodyweight squat, actually more than with weight on my back. I'm sure there are alot of people that just use that as an excuse not to do squats, but I love doing squats, they just hurt me alot.

mike456 · 12-29-2006, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Well I'm gonna have to disagree with #2. While I just re-introduced squats to my routine, I'm in extreme pain even when doing a bodyweight squat, actually more than with weight on my back. I'm sure there are alot of people that just use that as an excuse not to do squats, but I love doing squats, they just hurt me alot.

what hurts you? you either must be doing them wrong, or you have some tight muscles that you need to stretch... or did you injure yourself some how? explain..
ps I don't know why but every time you post with that avatar I think you are Kelju

the article... I agree with all of it, but it was kind of stupid, because I didnt learn anything from it, but I guess that wasn't the point of the article...

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12-28-2006, 09:28 PM	#3
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12-28-2006, 09:33 PM	#4
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,901	Well I think theres a time and place for people to use pulldowns. And this place would be if theres no dip belt present. Other than that, yes I think pullups and chins should be in place of pulldowns.
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12-28-2006, 09:42 PM	#5
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,400	I still say pulldowns are fine for variety sake. Nonetheless, I rarely use anything but pull/chinup variations in my own programs and any client's program who is capable of doing them.
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12-28-2006, 09:45 PM	#6
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	I don't ever use them actually...for myself or for clients that can do pull ups. The only people I have do pull downs are woman or men who can't do a pull up yet. I always opt for the pull ups though. I agree 110% on the not holding onto the stairmill and the treadmill. That used to drive me friggin' nuts!
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12-28-2006, 09:13 PM	#2
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,901	I like number 2 and 4. Far to many guys say they cant squat because of their knees And I have seen alot of guys say, "I can bench press 300". And watch them do it and it looks like the spotter is having a harder time with it then him.
	www.crossfit.com

12-28-2006, 10:31 PM	#10
fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 15,730 Photos: 4	Good article. I like the squat depth part. In fact, I was just thinking today how I could manage a good arguement with someone the next time they told me squatting as deep as I do is bad for the knees.
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12-28-2006, 10:45 PM	#11
Bakerboy cat burglar Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: the city of champions Posts: 4,146 Photos: 3	I think the picture of the baby squatting was hilarious. Not only should we all be able to squat that deep we should also be able to just hang out like that- sitting in chairs all day is not helping us with our ankle flexibility.
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12-29-2006, 04:42 AM	#19
Gordo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: O' Canada...stuck in the middle of you Posts: 1,025 Photos: 6	Kinda says it all doesn't it? In it's earliest form before chairs, that's how people sat, for hours. Still a popular form in Asia. Notice her arse ain't on the ground. I wish I could go that low Without squatting ability, it would be hard to use one of these in Asia:
	"If you don't bend those legs and do those squats, you'll never reach your potential." Paul Anderson

12-29-2006, 06:37 AM	#20
ReproMan Señor Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 6,382	Well I'm gonna have to disagree with #2. While I just re-introduced squats to my routine, I'm in extreme pain even when doing a bodyweight squat, actually more than with weight on my back. I'm sure there are alot of people that just use that as an excuse not to do squats, but I love doing squats, they just hurt me alot.

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