Help finding a realistic goal.

zootroid · 01-04-2007, 08:51 PM

Hey all, I'm having trouble with setting an achievable goal. My goal is basically to get a lot bigger and defined. However, looking at myself I personally see that as being pretty much impossible. The reason for this is my upper frame size. My bones are extremely small and very unlikely to hold a good amount of muscle mass. My lower frame seems to be average atleast if not bigger. I guess what I'm trying to say is does it seem likely that I'll be able to grow to a normal or even larger size than that?

The reason I'm asking this because everyone that I see that's a decent size and works out have large bones. I don't really see anyone with tiny bones and actually quite big.

I just don't want to set myself up for a huge dissappointment :P

**P-funk** · 01-04-2007, 08:53 PM

a) stop making excuses. you just give yourself an "out" when it comes time to do the work.

1) set a realistic goal
2) pick a time frame to do it in
3) just do it and stick to it because you have that time frame

zootroid · 01-04-2007, 08:56 PM

That's the whole point though, I'm not trying to find an out. I'm going to continue with what I currently do. I'm just asking for peoples opinions on what's realistic and what is not because I obviously am unsure of what is and what isn't.

**P-funk** · 01-04-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zootroid

That's the whole point though, I'm not trying to find an out. I'm going to continue with what I currently do. I'm just asking for peoples opinions on what's realistic and what is not because I obviously am unsure of what is and what isn't.

start small. Let say something like, gain 5lbs in 8 weeks. how is that?

zootroid · 01-04-2007, 09:03 PM

That's a good start. Thanks

Squaggleboggin · 01-04-2007, 09:05 PM

That's exactly why you don't see many people with a small frame who become big. They assume they can't or make excuses when the first thing they try stops working after three months. But you're different. You won't quit. You're tenaciously dedicated to achieving your goals no matter what it takes.

Or at least if you think you are you'll go far.

zootroid · 01-04-2007, 09:14 PM

*shrug* I was just wondering if there's an actual connection to it. Does having a smaller frame limit the amount of muscle mass it can support or does that really have no affect on it and it's just your genes that will dictate what it will support. Or maybe it's none of those really and just your dedication to striving for what you want has all the effect on it.

Squaggleboggin · 01-04-2007, 09:44 PM

So much for the attempted encouragement.

You're certainly not going to be able to be as big as someone who's 6'7'', but it shouldn't really matter. I mean, one of the world's strongest recorded men ever (Pudzianowski or however it's spelled) is also one of the shortest competitors I've ever seen at 5'11''. P-Funk (I love you) is fairly short as far as I know, but he's still able to lift very respectable numbers, and his mass is nothing to laugh at either.

Short answer: You determine how much you gain, not your body. All it does is adapt and perform whatever you tell it to perform.

zootroid · 01-04-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

So much for the attempted encouragement.

You're certainly not going to be able to be as big as someone who's 6'7'', but it shouldn't really matter. I mean, one of the world's strongest recorded men ever (Pudzianowski or however it's spelled) is also one of the shortest competitors I've ever seen at 5'11''. P-Funk (I love you) is fairly short as far as I know, but he's still able to lift very respectable numbers, and his mass is nothing to laugh at either.

Short answer: You determine how much you gain, not your body. All it does is adapt and perform whatever you tell it to perform.

Awesome

That's a huge amount of motivation right there that you said to me. I'm 6'3" by the way. Just a smaller frame size that most people :P

Squaggleboggin · 01-04-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zootroid

Awesome

That's a huge amount of motivation right there that you said to me. I'm 6'3" by the way. Just a smaller frame size that most people :P

Height is usually the largest inhibitor anyway. At your height it'll simply take much longer to fill out your frame and see noticeable differences in size. But you can also pack on more mass than someone shorter, so it's a trade-off. Don't worry about the small frame. As everything grows safely, slowly and naturally, your body will accommodate those changes.

fufu · 01-04-2007, 09:52 PM

There are short ectos, tall ectos, short mesos, tall mesos, etc.

I would think you would be at an advantage for putting on mass because you are shorter so generally would need less calories to put on size than a taller guy.

The most muscular guys I have ever seen were fairly short.

fufu · 01-04-2007, 09:55 PM

and talking about strong men...those guys are tall because it can help with events, especially the stones and the fingal fingers.

Squaggleboggin · 01-05-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fufu

and talking about strong men...those guys are tall because it can help with events, especially the stones and the fingal fingers.

That's why I used the example I did. Even though he's at a mechanical disadvantage, he still rocks the other competitors when it comes to so many events. And being shorter can help in certain events as well.

fufu · 01-05-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

That's why I used the example I did. Even though he's at a mechanical disadvantage, he still rocks the other competitors when it comes to so many events. And being shorter can help in certain events as well.

Yes, I totally agree.

I was saying that because he might be looking at the strongman competitors and thinking they are all big because you have to be tall to be big. Which isn't really the case.

Soul of Sol · 01-05-2007, 04:26 PM

To the OP: you and I are in the same boat. I am almost 6'2 the heaviest I have ever been is 190lbs@ 8-9% BF. When you have a small frame and add lean muscle mass, it looks awesome. People regularly guessed my weight to be 10-15 lbs heavier. Just stick with the compund moves, lift heavy and intense, eat 5-6 good solids meals a day and REST! Remember, you don't grow in the gym, you grow outside the gym.

And just so you know, I have the bone structure of a 12 year old girl

gsxrK3 · 01-05-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul of Sol

And just so you know, I have the bone structure of a 12 year old girl

Me too lol. Except I'm only 5'10".

01-04-2007, 08:51 PM	#1
zootroid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 134	Help finding a realistic goal. Hey all, I'm having trouble with setting an achievable goal. My goal is basically to get a lot bigger and defined. However, looking at myself I personally see that as being pretty much impossible. The reason for this is my upper frame size. My bones are extremely small and very unlikely to hold a good amount of muscle mass. My lower frame seems to be average atleast if not bigger. I guess what I'm trying to say is does it seem likely that I'll be able to grow to a normal or even larger size than that? The reason I'm asking this because everyone that I see that's a decent size and works out have large bones. I don't really see anyone with tiny bones and actually quite big. I just don't want to set myself up for a huge dissappointment :P
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01-04-2007, 08:53 PM	#2
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,373	a) stop making excuses. you just give yourself an "out" when it comes time to do the work. 1) set a realistic goal 2) pick a time frame to do it in 3) just do it and stick to it because you have that time frame
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01-04-2007, 08:56 PM	#3
zootroid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 134	That's the whole point though, I'm not trying to find an out. I'm going to continue with what I currently do. I'm just asking for peoples opinions on what's realistic and what is not because I obviously am unsure of what is and what isn't.
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01-04-2007, 09:03 PM	#5
zootroid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 134	That's a good start. Thanks
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01-04-2007, 09:05 PM	#6
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	That's exactly why you don't see many people with a small frame who become big. They assume they can't or make excuses when the first thing they try stops working after three months. But you're different. You won't quit. You're tenaciously dedicated to achieving your goals no matter what it takes. Or at least if you think you are you'll go far.
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01-04-2007, 09:14 PM	#7
zootroid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 134	shrug I was just wondering if there's an actual connection to it. Does having a smaller frame limit the amount of muscle mass it can support or does that really have no affect on it and it's just your genes that will dictate what it will support. Or maybe it's none of those really and just your dedication to striving for what you want has all the effect on it.
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01-04-2007, 09:44 PM	#8
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	So much for the attempted encouragement. You're certainly not going to be able to be as big as someone who's 6'7'', but it shouldn't really matter. I mean, one of the world's strongest recorded men ever (Pudzianowski or however it's spelled) is also one of the shortest competitors I've ever seen at 5'11''. P-Funk (I love you) is fairly short as far as I know, but he's still able to lift very respectable numbers, and his mass is nothing to laugh at either. Short answer: You determine how much you gain, not your body. All it does is adapt and perform whatever you tell it to perform.
	Push yourself. Enjoy yourself. Be yourself. Knowledge is power. Obsessed with functional strength. Journal

01-04-2007, 09:52 PM	#11
fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 15,967 Photos: 4	There are short ectos, tall ectos, short mesos, tall mesos, etc. I would think you would be at an advantage for putting on mass because you are shorter so generally would need less calories to put on size than a taller guy. The most muscular guys I have ever seen were fairly short.
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01-04-2007, 09:55 PM	#12
fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 15,967 Photos: 4	and talking about strong men...those guys are tall because it can help with events, especially the stones and the fingal fingers.
	fufu's 1337 Journal Your diet will set you free.

01-05-2007, 04:26 PM	#15
Soul of Sol Solar Entity Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Milky Way and L.A. Posts: 159 Photos: 4	To the OP: you and I are in the same boat. I am almost 6'2 the heaviest I have ever been is 190lbs@ 8-9% BF. When you have a small frame and add lean muscle mass, it looks awesome. People regularly guessed my weight to be 10-15 lbs heavier. Just stick with the compund moves, lift heavy and intense, eat 5-6 good solids meals a day and REST! Remember, you don't grow in the gym, you grow outside the gym. And just so you know, I have the bone structure of a 12 year old girl
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