Thread: mandatory football workout.. ={

he was being sarcastic.

If you like the routine than why are you asking if it is good?

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

those programs are great, what are you all talking about? I do 40 sets (mostly arm isolation work, just like the original posters coache's program) at least 6 days a week, sometimes 8.

40? that's soft. i do at least 300.

Originally Posted by P-funk

he was being sarcastic.

If you like the routine than why are you asking if it is good?

sarcasm....and not even good sarcasm at that. If a person didn't see that they should note the "if not 8 days a week" part...

Originally Posted by Adamjs

40? that's soft. i do at least 300.

LMFAO...300..pussy. I can do at least 600;easy.

Originally Posted by oaktownboy

LMFAO...300..pussy. I can do at least 600;easy.

300 is usually a bit of active recovery during my rest week. A working week will be in the 1000's :P

I've learned to get as much time in the gym as possible. I rented out the janitorial closet at my local iron game haven. That minimizes travel time. I've also stopped sleeping. I figure it's a waste of time. That's a good 8 hours I could be lifting weights instead.

Bottom line is sometimes less is more.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

I've learned to get as much time in the gym as possible. I rented out the janitorial closet at my local iron game haven. That minimizes travel time. I've also stopped sleeping. I figure it's a waste of time. That's a good 8 hours I could be lifting weights instead.

I thought you were being serious at first. I read the first part as, "I've learned to get as much out of my time at the gym as possible."

Originally Posted by P-funk

he was being sarcastic.

If you like the routine than why are you asking if it is good?

I WAS BEING SARCASTIC

Originally Posted by vinceforheismen

I WAS BEING SARCASTIC

damn it boy. don't you lie to me.

Originally Posted by P-funk

there are no explosive movement in that program!

what about single leg work?

Why would a lineman need pulling? Um, maybe to strengthen the shoulder joint and the bicpes to prevent injuries and bicep tears when trying to throw a block!


Powerlifting isn't football. Why should a football player train like a powerlifter? they are two differnet sports with two different demands. Strength is only one aspect of football.

Also, pulling movements are crucial in powerlifting! Strength then shoulder girdle. Strengthen the lats. etc....

This is like basic training101 stuff.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass P, but how many of you ever played football? How many of you were any good?

Originally Posted by CowPimp

I've learned to get as much time in the gym as possible. I rented out the janitorial closet at my local iron game haven. That minimizes travel time. I've also stopped sleeping. I figure it's a waste of time. That's a good 8 hours I could be lifting weights instead.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I'm not trying to be a smart ass P, but how many of you ever played football? How many of you were any good?

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Pacells never played football.

Bellicheck never played football.

Al Vermeil has won more championships than any other coach in any sport. he is a strength coach. he hasn't played the sports that he trains people for.

Most strength coaches have played one or two sports in their time, that doesn't mean they don't understand how to properly manipulate someones training. You need to understand biomechanics, human movement, energy systems, joint angles, etc..


Not to be a smart ass, but how much physiology have you studied?

Because you played football that makes you qualified to know how to train someone for it? Look at how many high school football coaches have shitty weight training programs because they (a) don't understand what they are doing and done understand the human body and (b) they just do whatever the person before them did or what their coach did when they played.

Why do you think that coaches in the NFL hire a strength and conditioning coordinator?

Louie Simmons didn't play football but he still is a strength consultant for several NFL teams.

Boyle never played hockey but he still trains lots of NHL pros.

Bill Hartman doesn't even have a passion for golf, yet he is one of the most in demand strength coaches for that specific sport, based on the fact that he understands movement and can apply it to training specifically for the task.

Originally Posted by P-funk

Not to be a smart ass, but how much physiology have you studied?

Because you played football that makes you qualified to know how to train someone for it?

I have studied some anatomy and physiology, not much.


I was a starter every year I played. I was all country 2 years. I won the offensive lineman of the year award. I had an offer to play college. I played since I was 6. I know more than you about being a lineman and training to be one. I was fucking great.

You know more than I will ever know about strength training. I feel extremely lucky to have come across this site and to have learned from you and everyone else here.

But, perhaps you don't realize that there are reasons for why things are done the way they are that you might not be aware of. You seem to already be on the defensive, so I am leaving at that.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I have studied some anatomy and physiology, not much.


I was a starter every year I played. I was all country 2 years. I won the offensive lineman of the year award. I had an offer to play college. I played since I was 6. I know more than you about being a lineman and training to be one. I was fucking great.

You know more than I will ever know about strength training. I feel extremely lucky to have come across this site and to have learned from you and everyone else here.

But, perhaps you don't realize that there are reasons for why things are done the way they are that you might not be aware of. You seem to already be on the defensive, so I am leaving at that.

That's great. But, that doesn't mean that you are qualified to talk about the proper training for the game. That doesn't mean that your coaches had a good program either. Just becasue you were good means nothing.

Look at the program you posted. As far as an athletic program, it sucks! It has no sinlge leg training, it has no pulling movements, it has no explosive movements and it is a poor example of a periodization.

The coach who wrote that is clearly archaic. If you are working with athletes, there is more to think about, way more, than what is written in that program you posted. It is a poor example of what a strength and conditioning coach should prescribe.

I can't believe someone's argueing with p funk about training athletes. Or anything for that matter.

id quit the team if my coachs made us lift that much per day we only lift two days a week and most of the players are strong as all get out for being in highschool.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I can't believe someone's argueing with p funk about training athletes. Or anything for that matter.

I don't ming the arguing. No one is going to aree 100% on everything. There are strength coaches that do things that I don't agree with. People have different ways of doing things.

Typically, the athletes (or anyone who is doing a training program for that matter) always see some sort of validation for what they are doing. "How does this look? Is it good?". "No, I really don't think this is the best way. There are more efficient ways of doing things."...."What? How can you not agree with this? This is what I have been doing!! I think it it excellent!!"....."Okay, if you love it, then why do you care what I say? Why do you seek approval. Keep doing it."

I think the program (both in this thread) are crap. If you don't believe me, one of my best friends is a high school strength and conditioning coach in Long Island. He keeps his kids to the basics and gets them strong. They do hang cleans and DB snatches or clean grip snatches, back squats and front squats, RDLs, push ups and benching and overhead press/push jerk, pull ups and rowing and plyometrics. That's it! He has a good linear model for periodization for those exercises and he puts the high school kids through it. Some strength coaches out there don't like his program....."olympic lifting is dangerous!"...."Why aren't they leg pressing?"....."Don't you guys do arms?"...."Why do you periodize like that? It is to confusing."......The thing about it is that the results don't lie. he took a team of kids last year, that had terrible technique in these lifts and were really weak. They weren't even a good football team. he did the basics, taught technique and turned 4 of those kids into "all-long island" and a number of them into college recruit material. How? A great training program that made sense. These kids were just stronger than everyone else on the field.

Originally Posted by P-funk

I don't ming the arguing. No one is going to aree 100% on everything. There are strength coaches that do things that I don't agree with. People have different ways of doing things.

Typically, the athletes (or anyone who is doing a training program for that matter) always see some sort of validation for what they are doing. "How does this look? Is it good?". "No, I really don't think this is the best way. There are more efficient ways of doing things."...."What? How can you not agree with this? This is what I have been doing!! I think it it excellent!!"....."Okay, if you love it, then why do you care what I say? Why do you seek approval. Keep doing it."

I think the program (both in this thread) are crap. If you don't believe me, one of my best friends is a high school strength and conditioning coach in Long Island. He keeps his kids to the basics and gets them strong. They do hang cleans and DB snatches or clean grip snatches, back squats and front squats, RDLs, push ups and benching and overhead press/push jerk, pull ups and rowing and plyometrics. That's it! He has a good linear model for periodization for those exercises and he puts the high school kids through it. Some strength coaches out there don't like his program....."olympic lifting is dangerous!"...."Why aren't they leg pressing?"....."Don't you guys do arms?"...."Why do you periodize like that? It is to confusing."......The thing about it is that the results don't lie. he took a team of kids last year, that had terrible technique in these lifts and were really weak. They weren't even a good football team. he did the basics, taught technique and turned 4 of those kids into "all-long island" and a number of them into college recruit material. How? A great training program that made sense. These kids were just stronger than everyone else on the field.

Conditioning comes later, football season isnt here for another 7-8 months couches just want us in the gyms getting lean.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

Yeah boy, lick that ass. Perhaps you might want to wipe the shit off of your nose.

Originally Posted by KelJu

Yeah boy, lick that ass. Perhaps you might want to wipe the shit off of your nose.

I have more respect for patrick than any other trainer I've met. You can call it suckin up if you like, but he's taught me how to better do my job of training people than anyone else and I like what the man has to say...99% of the time.

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I have more respect for patrick than any other trainer I've met. You can call it suckin up if you like, but he's taught me how to better do my job of training people than anyone else and I like what the man has to say...99% of the time.

I also respect P. We were disagreeing on a small issue. I didn't think the discussion required cheerleaders.