Water and the Mind

ABCs · 01-12-2007, 05:39 PM

Two things that are taken for granted when we train. I believe the mind has more effect on how your muscles develop than the actual workouts themselves. For example, if I am doing crunches and FOCUS my mind on the ab muscles, I feel like I am working those muscles so much harder. I am a big fan of quantum physics and this is where it all stems from.

Now another topic, the study of water. The GENIUS known as Dr. Masaru Emoto, has pretty much discovered these breakthroughs in the study of water. Read the entrie following article and chances are, you won't come back out without thinking differently:

http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twili...arch_emoto.htm

May I also recommend watching the movie: What the Bleep Do we Know!?

It changed my outlook on life and the way I carry out my every day tasks. If everyone watched that and took from it, the world would truly be better.

Anyway, I am opening the conversation up. Let me know what you think.

Squaggleboggin · 01-12-2007, 05:48 PM

What do the principles of quantum mechanics have to do with the mind-muscle connection?

After looking at that (which was weird), I don't see how anything was proven. First, by freezing the water, its shape has been changed. Water expands when it freezes and forms all kinds of shapes. Second, vibrations from music could probably cause it to freeze differently on a molecular level by producing vibrations of varying frequency and intensity. To say that the water is alive is a little strange, I think.

ABCs · 01-12-2007, 05:58 PM

Not that it's alive but that your thoughts and words actually change the structure of the water. It is an interesting concept for people with an open mind. Stick to the basics. And anyone that has even an inkling of knowledge about quantum physics knows that if your mind controls how the body acts and your thoughts have more of an effect on your physcical structure than most think, how can it NOT relate?

kcoleman · 01-12-2007, 06:09 PM

The very best way to achieve the Muscle you WANT is to stick with it. It WILL come FOR SURE as long as you stay focused, make sure you get the proper nutrition, rest, and DO the exercises concentrating on what you are doing. Communicate with each muscle as you are doing them. Become aware of your body while you do each exercise telling it what you want and listening too to what your body tells you. Remember too that just because you may think you are tired does not always mean that you need to rest. You may just want to rachet it up more because demands you make are one of the factors in muscle growth.

If you REALLY want Muscle you must honestly work for it but the rewards are WELL WORTH THE EFFORT and in the end it is really NOT as hard as you may sometimes think. The end result is entirely based on the honest effort you put into it. You WILL get so much more than you realize if you will only BE honest.

Men with REAL Muscle work for it and they GET what they work for. Observe Men you know that HAVE total muscle everywhere and see for yourself how they EARN it. NOTHING in life that is WORTH IT and is damn good necessarily comes "easily" but when you do get involved you find it is not always as hard as you think it may be.

Consistency - stay with it! It WILL HAPPEN! Be smart about it! Learn!

Squaggleboggin · 01-12-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ABCs

Not that it's alive but that your thoughts and words actually change the structure of the water. It is an interesting concept for people with an open mind. Stick to the basics. And anyone that has even an inkling of knowledge about quantum physics knows that if your mind controls how the body acts and your thoughts have more of an effect on your physcical structure than most think, how can it NOT relate?

I thought quantum mechanics was about probabilities, Schrodinger equation, etc. Unless quantum mechanics isn't the same as quantum physics. The link is what I know it to be. Perhaps you meant something else. (?)

ABCs · 01-12-2007, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcoleman

The very best way to achieve the Muscle you WANT is to stick with it. It WILL come FOR SURE as long as you stay focused, make sure you get the proper nutrition, rest, and DO the exercises concentrating on what you are doing. Communicate with each muscle as you are doing them. Become aware of your body while you do each exercise telling it what you want and listening too to what your body tells you. Remember too that just because you may think you are tired does not always mean that you need to rest. You may just want to rachet it up more because demands you make are one of the factors in muscle growth.

If you REALLY want Muscle you must honestly work for it but the rewards are WELL WORTH THE EFFORT and in the end it is really NOT as hard as you may sometimes think. The end result is entirely based on the honest effort you put into it. You WILL get so much more than you realize if you will only BE honest.

Men with REAL Muscle work for it and they GET what they work for. Observe Men you know that HAVE total muscle everywhere and see for yourself how they EARN it. NOTHING in life that is WORTH IT and is damn good necessarily comes "easily" but when you do get involved you find it is not always as hard as you think it may be.

Consistency - stay with it! It WILL HAPPEN! Be smart about it! Learn!

Hahha thanks for the motivational speech. It wasn't meant to substitute anything with anything. More of a mental/physical relation and change to the game we call LIFE.

Adamjs · 01-12-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

I thought quantum mechanics was about probabilities, Schrodinger equation, etc. Unless quantum mechanics isn't the same as quantum physics. The link is what I know it to be. Perhaps you meant something else. (?)

You're both right - but being a theoretical form of physics it has many different applications, almost none of them real-world, however highly controversal and thought provoking. Religious movements love to draw on some of the fields theories to "prove" the existance of God.

1 Energy is not continuous, but comes in small but discrete units.
2 The elementary particles behave both like particles and like waves.
3 The movement of these particles is inherently random.
4 It is physically impossible to know both the position and the momentum of a particle at the same time. The more precisely one is known, the less precise the measurement of the other is.
5 The atomic world is nothing like the world we live in.

^ above is the basics stolen from some random website (library.thinkquest.org)

ABCs · 01-12-2007, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adamjs

You're both right - but being a theoretical form of physics it has many different applications, almost none of them real-world, however highly controversal and thought provoking. Religious movements love to draw on some of the fields theories to "prove" the existance of God.

1 Energy is not continuous, but comes in small but discrete units.
2 The elementary particles behave both like particles and like waves.
3 The movement of these particles is inherently random.
4 It is physically impossible to know both the position and the momentum of a particle at the same time. The more precisely one is known, the less precise the measurement of the other is.
5 The atomic world is nothing like the world we live in.

^ above is the basics stolen from some random website (library.thinkquest.org)

Bingo. And to sum it up, the real world is more pliable with the mind then most are taught to believe while growing up. It is not until you truly believe or understand it, that you have more control over the events that take place in your life. Now to relate that to training, believing in the power of the mind and concentrating while working out will prove better results than a person that is doing it just to do it.

Squaggleboggin · 01-13-2007, 09:47 AM

I'm no expert, but I've read a few books on the subject, and I still don't see how it's related to thoughts. Unless it's being suggested that thoughts are made of particles (or have a dual nature) and can affect physical things (or possibly have a physical manifestation), I'm just not seeing how Heisenberg, Schrodinger and Einstein connect with thoughts. Where's the connection?

I do think it's interesting though. I just think it may be more related to the field of parapsychology. The reason I would especially skeptical about what you posted is because of the page itself. First, the guy doesn't have an advanced degree (which is usually considered pretty important for research). Then, I don't think it says where he performed this research, or whether it's officially documented. Plus it's full of typographical errors (which I think is unprofessional if you're trying to present a theory of some kind). Finally, he doesn't seem to address the opposition (AKA several factors go into how a chunk of ice looks under a microscope, including contaminants, which we would expect to change from location to location and form differently shaped crystals). I must admit that I didn't read the entire thing, though. In other words, this might be inaccurate. But those are my first thoughts.

Adamjs · 01-14-2007, 01:39 AM

^ the water stuff is complete shite, but at the same time, it's all about how we percieve things, that is, Einstein's theory of relativity and the scientific principal of how we measure things (i can't recall what it is called of the top of my head).

Essentially, you cannot measure something without affecting it in some way, therefore, how we perceive something depends on how we are measuring it which depends on how we are affecting it. This then means that everything we see or do depends on our point of view and how we perceive something. Therefore, even though the water thing is complete shite, we cannot say it definately is, because it depends on how we percieve it.

Does that make sense in some whacked out hippy type of way?

Squaggleboggin · 01-14-2007, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adamjs

^ the water stuff is complete shite, but at the same time, it's all about how we percieve things, that is, Einstein's theory of relativity and the scientific principal of how we measure things (i can't recall what it is called of the top of my head).

Essentially, you cannot measure something without affecting it in some way, therefore, how we perceive something depends on how we are measuring it which depends on how we are affecting it. This then means that everything we see or do depends on our point of view and how we perceive something. Therefore, even though the water thing is complete shite, we cannot say it definately is, because it depends on how we percieve it.

Does that make sense in some whacked out hippy type of way?

Yeah, but I thought that applied only to things like photons which would be affected greatly. I thought a water molecule would be large enough not to be affected significantly.

Adamjs · 01-15-2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

Yeah, but I thought that applied only to things like photons which would be affected greatly. I thought a water molecule would be large enough not to be affected significantly.

But when we're talking quantum physics - it is used to explain, for instance, that there can be light that is actually in two places at the same time? How can this be based on all of the known laws of physics? It simply cannot be - but it is and we believe we have seen it to be.

If you take it to the Nth degree, nothing in this world is absolute truth or is an absolute known. Everything we think we know is based on the higher probability of something reacting in the way it probably will react, and things we think to be false are based on the lower probability of it reacting in a way it probably won't react.

The water idea as far fetched as it sounds (and is) therefore cannot be completely denied as crap, because it all depends on how we are viewing the water. Hence, while there is a higher probability it is crap, there is also a low probability it is not crap and because we have already established that it depends on how we measure something how we perceive it, then we cannot completely discount it as crap even though we all believe and think we know it to be.

Squaggleboggin · 01-15-2007, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adamjs

But when we're talking quantum physics - it is used to explain, for instance, that there can be light that is actually in two places at the same time? How can this be based on all of the known laws of physics? It simply cannot be - but it is and we believe we have seen it to be.

If you take it to the Nth degree, nothing in this world is absolute truth or is an absolute known. Everything we think we know is based on the higher probability of something reacting in the way it probably will react, and things we think to be false are based on the lower probability of it reacting in a way it probably won't react.

The water idea as far fetched as it sounds (and is) therefore cannot be completely denied as crap, because it all depends on how we are viewing the water. Hence, while there is a higher probability it is crap, there is also a low probability it is not crap and because we have already established that it depends on how we measure something how we perceive it, then we cannot completely discount it as crap even though we all believe and think we know it to be.

I was referring to our measurements affecting only very tiny things in any significant way. For example, the two-slit experiment in which photons seem to form the same interference patterns as waves even when fired by themselves at intervals. However, trying to observe this directly yields results that are in agreement with non-wave movement (even though everything moves in waves to some degree).

To go along with what you were saying, "All I know is that I know nothing" is a pretty good summary (although if you want to nitpick, I suppose you could throw the word 'absolute' in there in some shape or form somewhere).

I thought what you were trying to say is that our thoughts have a dual nature and can act, in a sense, like light. In other words, I thought one of the things already explained by quantum mechanics applied directly to this and that I perhaps missed it. Now I see that you're just saying it's possible, which I don't think anyone contradicted in the first place. All I'm saying is that I've never seen the ability of thoughts to influence things physically outside the body in any quantum mechanics book. That's probably much more in the realm of parapsychology, not that none of the principles of quantum mechanics can't apply to it.

01-12-2007, 05:39 PM	#1
ABCs Audios Envy Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: My Mind Posts: 1,153	Water and the Mind Two things that are taken for granted when we train. I believe the mind has more effect on how your muscles develop than the actual workouts themselves. For example, if I am doing crunches and FOCUS my mind on the ab muscles, I feel like I am working those muscles so much harder. I am a big fan of quantum physics and this is where it all stems from. Now another topic, the study of water. The GENIUS known as Dr. Masaru Emoto, has pretty much discovered these breakthroughs in the study of water. Read the entrie following article and chances are, you won't come back out without thinking differently: http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twili...arch_emoto.htm May I also recommend watching the movie: What the Bleep Do we Know!? It changed my outlook on life and the way I carry out my every day tasks. If everyone watched that and took from it, the world would truly be better. Anyway, I am opening the conversation up. Let me know what you think.
	After almost 2 weeks... I am back and better than ever.

01-12-2007, 05:48 PM	#2
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	What do the principles of quantum mechanics have to do with the mind-muscle connection? After looking at that (which was weird), I don't see how anything was proven. First, by freezing the water, its shape has been changed. Water expands when it freezes and forms all kinds of shapes. Second, vibrations from music could probably cause it to freeze differently on a molecular level by producing vibrations of varying frequency and intensity. To say that the water is alive is a little strange, I think.
	Push yourself. Enjoy yourself. Be yourself. Knowledge is power. Obsessed with functional strength. Journal

01-12-2007, 05:58 PM	#3
ABCs Audios Envy Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: My Mind Posts: 1,153	Not that it's alive but that your thoughts and words actually change the structure of the water. It is an interesting concept for people with an open mind. Stick to the basics. And anyone that has even an inkling of knowledge about quantum physics knows that if your mind controls how the body acts and your thoughts have more of an effect on your physcical structure than most think, how can it NOT relate?
	After almost 2 weeks... I am back and better than ever.

01-13-2007, 09:47 AM	#9
Squaggleboggin Functional Lifting = Life Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,540 Photos: 3	I'm no expert, but I've read a few books on the subject, and I still don't see how it's related to thoughts. Unless it's being suggested that thoughts are made of particles (or have a dual nature) and can affect physical things (or possibly have a physical manifestation), I'm just not seeing how Heisenberg, Schrodinger and Einstein connect with thoughts. Where's the connection? I do think it's interesting though. I just think it may be more related to the field of parapsychology. The reason I would especially skeptical about what you posted is because of the page itself. First, the guy doesn't have an advanced degree (which is usually considered pretty important for research). Then, I don't think it says where he performed this research, or whether it's officially documented. Plus it's full of typographical errors (which I think is unprofessional if you're trying to present a theory of some kind). Finally, he doesn't seem to address the opposition (AKA several factors go into how a chunk of ice looks under a microscope, including contaminants, which we would expect to change from location to location and form differently shaped crystals). I must admit that I didn't read the entire thing, though. In other words, this might be inaccurate. But those are my first thoughts.
	Push yourself. Enjoy yourself. Be yourself. Knowledge is power. Obsessed with functional strength. Journal

01-14-2007, 01:39 AM	#10
Adamjs Adamjs Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 264	^ the water stuff is complete shite, but at the same time, it's all about how we percieve things, that is, Einstein's theory of relativity and the scientific principal of how we measure things (i can't recall what it is called of the top of my head). Essentially, you cannot measure something without affecting it in some way, therefore, how we perceive something depends on how we are measuring it which depends on how we are affecting it. This then means that everything we see or do depends on our point of view and how we perceive something. Therefore, even though the water thing is complete shite, we cannot say it definately is, because it depends on how we percieve it. Does that make sense in some whacked out hippy type of way?
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01-12-2007, 06:09 PM	#4
kcoleman Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: . Posts: 533	The very best way to achieve the Muscle you WANT is to stick with it. It WILL come FOR SURE as long as you stay focused, make sure you get the proper nutrition, rest, and DO the exercises concentrating on what you are doing. Communicate with each muscle as you are doing them. Become aware of your body while you do each exercise telling it what you want and listening too to what your body tells you. Remember too that just because you may think you are tired does not always mean that you need to rest. You may just want to rachet it up more because demands you make are one of the factors in muscle growth. If you REALLY want Muscle you must honestly work for it but the rewards are WELL WORTH THE EFFORT and in the end it is really NOT as hard as you may sometimes think. The end result is entirely based on the honest effort you put into it. You WILL get so much more than you realize if you will only BE honest. Men with REAL Muscle work for it and they GET what they work for. Observe Men you know that HAVE total muscle everywhere and see for yourself how they EARN it. NOTHING in life that is WORTH IT and is damn good necessarily comes "easily" but when you do get involved you find it is not always as hard as you think it may be. Consistency - stay with it! It WILL HAPPEN! Be smart about it! Learn!

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