What to train? (pics included)

El Hefe · 01-18-2007, 05:31 PM

Dude your 18 and in college tell your parents to piss off and buy whey protein, it looks to me like you train hard, but if you were eating right youd be twice your size!!

reimon · 01-18-2007, 05:36 PM

I appreciate the last few comments. Thanks a lot guys, Prince the problem with me getting a job is that I'm at a very prestigious business school and I need to maintain my 3.8 GPA. I barely have free time to integrate my workouts + girlfriend in the schedule, no time for a job.

So what would you guys say would be a good weight, would 180-185 lbs at the same body fat level as now do it?!

yuppy · 01-18-2007, 05:37 PM

maybe a haircut?

TheCurse · 01-18-2007, 05:37 PM

you dont think you need to eat more and have proper diet? i always wonder where people that think like this expect all that muscle to come from, perhaps thin air? if you want to gain any sort of quality muscle mass you need to consume quite a bit more calories than you use every day, at least in my experience. the body must be kept flush with excess nutrients and fuel, so when the conditions are present that will cause your muscles to grow, they have ample fuel to do so.
you look like an extreme ectomorph. i wouldnt worry about getting fat just yet.. but why am i offering advice to another punk ass kid giving attitude to vets? humble yourself child, you are but a mote in the cosmic eye.

reimon · 01-18-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by yuppy

maybe a haircut?

nah i'm growing it... looks kinda stupid rite now i do agree but whatever..

I want to add in that I havent been doing squats at the begining when I started. I only started doing squats in the last 2 months and I've been getting some sick gains after it.... Must me all the hormones rushin through the body as the thighs repair themselves.

**Prince** · 01-18-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by reimon

I appreciate the last few comments. Thanks a lot guys, Prince the problem with me getting a job is that I'm at a very prestigious business school and I need to maintain my 3.8 GPA. I barely have free time to integrate my workouts + girlfriend in the schedule, no time for a job.

Fair enough, but I still don't understand why it's impossible to improve your diet, or at the very least add quality protein.

viet_jon · 01-18-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by yuppy

maybe a haircut?

lol, that came out of nowhere.

reimon · 01-18-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by viet_jon

lol, that came out of nowhere.

I was expectin some ignorant prick to post a comment like that actually

Spud · 01-18-2007, 05:49 PM

You look pretty lean. If you want to improve your aesthetics by building mass, you ought to listen to the above advice so that you can pack on muscle without adding much fat.

The trap area needs some extra work, but you should be trying to add mass everywhere.

reimon · 01-18-2007, 05:54 PM

And Prince, parents refuse to cook healthy food, because they don't know how to do it. I dont have time to teach them. They do their garbage north american/european foods over and over again...

I can only eat tuna every so often, and I can't eat cottage cheese because I got a type of allergy towards it. That limits shit down to what I CAN eat. And i'm pretty sick of chicken breast my now. Turkey/red meat.. i don't eat.

Can't wait to move the out on my own, but that will take 3 more years.

Since all of you are nagging me with the diet, just to shut you up, i'll say i'll integrate more protein in my diet.

**Prince** · 01-18-2007, 05:59 PM

so they eat like shit and tell you that whey protein and creatine are steroids? genius!

you might want to let them know that whey protein comes from milk and creatine is made up of three amino acids (Arginine, Glycine and Methionine).

so if your parents drink milk and eat meat they are also using "steroids".

rmcfar · 01-18-2007, 06:02 PM

you should stop doing all shoulder/chest work and start to do legs and back only. right now you look like youve been doing bench and bicep work for the past 5 months which judging by your posts is pretty accurate.

these are bodybuilding forums. not how to look like a male model forums.

also regarding your parents refusing to cook good food. my dad is a professional chef and has been for his entire life so telling him to cook healthy is like telling the devil to start praying. so i took it upon myself to go grocery shopping with him and when he reaches for something unhealthy i would tell him to just try something else, and slowly but surely hes come around to using whole grain pasta's and so on.

reimon · 01-18-2007, 06:04 PM

I dont like talking down to my parents because they brought me in this world and raised me, but when it comes to health/fitness they're a buncha close-minded pricks. They tell me you look fine the way you are, why do you want to gain weight?

They've told me this ever since I was 140 lbs. It's ridiculous. I've told them whey is extracted from cheese. They don't listen. I can't do much about it, thats why I said forget the diet discussions.

Nate K · 01-18-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by reimon

So what would you guys say would be a good weight, would 180-185 lbs at the same body fat level as now do it?!

You won't get to 180-185 without a better diet.

reimon · 01-18-2007, 06:07 PM

RMC hit it with a hammer

That's exactly the kinda advice I was looking for man... So do legs + back, such as squats, rows, pulldowns... no arms or chest at all?

**Prince** · 01-18-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by reimon

I dont like talking down to my parents because they brought me in this world and raised me, but when it comes to health/fitness they're a buncha close-minded pricks.

I never said talk down to them, you could try and educate them on the subject in a respective manner.

I told you before you will not make much more in the way of muscle gains without improving your diet.

squats, dead lifts, rows, pull-ups and presses are all compound movements.

John69 · 01-18-2007, 06:22 PM

Get an overall good training routine and a somewhat good diet

. Also read the stickies at the top of the page

**Gazhole** · 01-18-2007, 06:22 PM

Remember - at the start of anybody's training, they make "newbie-gains" since their bodies arent actually used to any sort of regular exercise. Bad habits and sub-par training/nutrition dont matter too much, you'll put on the mass anyways.

It doesnt last.

If you want to make constant gains in strength and size over the next three, five, or fifteen years of training you'll have to be prepared to make massive changes to your lifestyle. If you cant do this, or do that, or change this, then fair enough. You dont deserve, nor will you get, the results you're looking for.

My advice would be:

1 - Ditch the bodypart workouts and switch to Fullbody workouts. Theres stickies in this forum thatll give you some advice for that.

2 - Stick to compound movements.

3 - Legs should make up half of your training time, they're half your body, why should they get any less attention than your upper body?

4 - Tough as it may be being a student i know people who work full time, are single parents, study at night schools, and still manage to fit this fitness stuff in, so you can do it also.

5 - If you changed your attitude you might find a big group of people here who'd be willing to get behind you and help you reach your goals in their own spare time.

6 - EAT.

***

If you read up as much as you can on the stuff in the Training, and Nutritional forums so you can put together a great diet plan and a great training program, theres no limit to what you can accomplish as long as you put in the leg work.

Ive gone from 112lbs to 182lbs in 3 year, largely thanks to the great advice and help from the members of this forum, in fact most of my gains in size, strength and conditioning have been in the last year and a half when i got my head out of my own ass and actually started listening.

So yeah, good luck, etc.

Kavka · 01-18-2007, 06:30 PM

I say if you do buy a protien (whey) then you'd be gaining weight. And you could still pop in a pizza or two.

reimon · 01-18-2007, 07:30 PM

The thing is I dont want to be like many of you guys want to be. I just want a well proportioned body that doesn't look underweight and is fairly attractive... I'm not planning to compete in bodybuilding in any way/shape or form and I don't need the ego boost of being 'big'.

I just enjoy pushing myself and lifting weights and I enjoy the benfits of it, such as a great looking body. I dont suffer from low-self esteem like many of you and therefore I dont need to put up walls of muscle to hide my insecurities. To the guys who are pros or compete for money in this sport, i congratulate you. To the guys who put on walls and walls of muscle just so they can get laid, they need to look inside and see the real problem. 50 lbs of muscle won't fix your insecurities.

Now that we got that out of the way, as one of the guys said, I'm looking a bit more for the 'model' kind of a body, not necessarily a body builders'.

**Prince** · 01-18-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by reimon

I dont suffer from low-self esteem like many of you and therefore I dont need to put up walls of muscle to hide my insecurities.

wow, you're much more ignorant than I had previously thought, it's no surprise why you cannot hold down a job and go to college simultaneously like most of us did or sill do...sounds like the apple did not fall far from the tree.

viet_jon · 01-18-2007, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reimon

The thing is I dont want to be like many of you guys want to be. I just want a well proportioned body that doesn't look underweight and is fairly attractive... I'm not planning to compete in bodybuilding in any way/shape or form and I don't need the ego boost of being 'big'.

I just enjoy pushing myself and lifting weights and I enjoy the benfits of it, such as a great looking body. I dont suffer from low-self esteem like many of you and therefore I dont need to put up walls of muscle to hide my insecurities. To the guys who are pros or compete for money in this sport, i congratulate you. To the guys who put on walls and walls of muscle just so they can get laid, they need to look inside and see the real problem. 50 lbs of muscle won't fix your insecurities.

you crack me up!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by raimon

Now that we got that out of the way, as one of the guys said, I'm looking a bit more for the 'model' kind of a body, not necessarily a body builders'.

do you really think actors/models train differently than bodybuilders?

reimon · 01-18-2007, 07:38 PM

It's the reality. A lot of my buds who go to my gym do it because they can't get laid and they have a bad self image of themselves. They go to the gym for an ego boost and body building doesn't fix your insecurities. You can ignore what I'm saying and act like I dont know what i'm talking about. But no matter how big you get, you'll always want to get bigger, no matter what.

Same principle why you see short guys riding trucks the size of an entire block.

Prince, props to you because you're competing and you're making money off the sport.

viet_jon · 01-18-2007, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reimon

It's the reality. A lot of my buds who go to my gym do it because they can't get laid and they have a bad self image of themselves. They go to the gym for an ego boost and body building doesn't fix your insecurities. You can ignore what I'm saying and act like I dont know what i'm talking about. But no matter how big you get, you'll always want to get bigger, no matter what.

Same principle why you see short guys riding trucks the size of an entire block.

Prince, props to you because you're competing and you're making money off the sport.

it's not that your statement holds no truth.

the point is that you are new here, and are quick to direct such bold statements about 'many' members of this community.

reimon · 01-18-2007, 07:44 PM

reimon
Join Date: Mar 2004

viet_jon
Join Date: May 2006

Who's the new one here?

--- And if my statement holds truth, whats the point in arguing or criticizing it?

01-18-2007, 05:31 PM	#31
El Hefe Donkey Punch Elite Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: MA Posts: 107	BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com Dude your 18 and in college tell your parents to piss off and buy whey protein, it looks to me like you train hard, but if you were eating right youd be twice your size!!

01-18-2007, 05:36 PM	#32
reimon Nerd Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 159	I appreciate the last few comments. Thanks a lot guys, Prince the problem with me getting a job is that I'm at a very prestigious business school and I need to maintain my 3.8 GPA. I barely have free time to integrate my workouts + girlfriend in the schedule, no time for a job. So what would you guys say would be a good weight, would 180-185 lbs at the same body fat level as now do it?!
	Kids dont drink and drive, get high and fly

01-18-2007, 05:37 PM	#33
yuppy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 73	maybe a haircut?
yuppy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 73	get paid son

01-18-2007, 05:37 PM	#34
TheCurse Barbell Ninja Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dago Posts: 762 Photos: 5	you dont think you need to eat more and have proper diet? i always wonder where people that think like this expect all that muscle to come from, perhaps thin air? if you want to gain any sort of quality muscle mass you need to consume quite a bit more calories than you use every day, at least in my experience. the body must be kept flush with excess nutrients and fuel, so when the conditions are present that will cause your muscles to grow, they have ample fuel to do so. you look like an extreme ectomorph. i wouldnt worry about getting fat just yet.. but why am i offering advice to another punk ass kid giving attitude to vets? humble yourself child, you are but a mote in the cosmic eye.
	Thread killer.

01-18-2007, 05:49 PM	#39
Spud Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hart House! Posts: 753	You look pretty lean. If you want to improve your aesthetics by building mass, you ought to listen to the above advice so that you can pack on muscle without adding much fat. The trap area needs some extra work, but you should be trying to add mass everywhere.
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01-18-2007, 05:54 PM	#40
reimon Nerd Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 159	And Prince, parents refuse to cook healthy food, because they don't know how to do it. I dont have time to teach them. They do their garbage north american/european foods over and over again... I can only eat tuna every so often, and I can't eat cottage cheese because I got a type of allergy towards it. That limits shit down to what I CAN eat. And i'm pretty sick of chicken breast my now. Turkey/red meat.. i don't eat. Can't wait to move the out on my own, but that will take 3 more years. Since all of you are nagging me with the diet, just to shut you up, i'll say i'll integrate more protein in my diet.
	Kids dont drink and drive, get high and fly

01-18-2007, 05:59 PM	#41
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,200 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 313	so they eat like shit and tell you that whey protein and creatine are steroids? genius! you might want to let them know that whey protein comes from milk and creatine is made up of three amino acids (Arginine, Glycine and Methionine). so if your parents drink milk and eat meat they are also using "steroids".
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01-18-2007, 06:02 PM	#42
rmcfar i love cutting Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 266	you should stop doing all shoulder/chest work and start to do legs and back only. right now you look like youve been doing bench and bicep work for the past 5 months which judging by your posts is pretty accurate. these are bodybuilding forums. not how to look like a male model forums. also regarding your parents refusing to cook good food. my dad is a professional chef and has been for his entire life so telling him to cook healthy is like telling the devil to start praying. so i took it upon myself to go grocery shopping with him and when he reaches for something unhealthy i would tell him to just try something else, and slowly but surely hes come around to using whole grain pasta's and so on.
rmcfar i love cutting Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 266	"When i was 15 years old, i took all of my clothes off and looked in the mirror. When i stared at myself naked, I realized that to be perfectly proportioned I would need 20 inch arms to match the rest of me." -Arnold

01-18-2007, 06:04 PM	#43
reimon Nerd Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 159	I dont like talking down to my parents because they brought me in this world and raised me, but when it comes to health/fitness they're a buncha close-minded pricks. They tell me you look fine the way you are, why do you want to gain weight? They've told me this ever since I was 140 lbs. It's ridiculous. I've told them whey is extracted from cheese. They don't listen. I can't do much about it, thats why I said forget the diet discussions.
	Kids dont drink and drive, get high and fly

01-18-2007, 06:07 PM	#45
reimon Nerd Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 159	RMC hit it with a hammer That's exactly the kinda advice I was looking for man... So do legs + back, such as squats, rows, pulldowns... no arms or chest at all?
	Kids dont drink and drive, get high and fly

01-18-2007, 06:22 PM	#47
John69 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 143	Get an overall good training routine and a somewhat good diet . Also read the stickies at the top of the page
John69 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 143

01-18-2007, 06:30 PM	#49
Kavka Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22	I say if you do buy a protien (whey) then you'd be gaining weight. And you could still pop in a pizza or two.
Kavka Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22

01-18-2007, 07:30 PM	#50
reimon Nerd Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 159	The thing is I dont want to be like many of you guys want to be. I just want a well proportioned body that doesn't look underweight and is fairly attractive... I'm not planning to compete in bodybuilding in any way/shape or form and I don't need the ego boost of being 'big'. I just enjoy pushing myself and lifting weights and I enjoy the benfits of it, such as a great looking body. I dont suffer from low-self esteem like many of you and therefore I dont need to put up walls of muscle to hide my insecurities. To the guys who are pros or compete for money in this sport, i congratulate you. To the guys who put on walls and walls of muscle just so they can get laid, they need to look inside and see the real problem. 50 lbs of muscle won't fix your insecurities. Now that we got that out of the way, as one of the guys said, I'm looking a bit more for the 'model' kind of a body, not necessarily a body builders'.
	Kids dont drink and drive, get high and fly

01-18-2007, 07:38 PM	#53
reimon Nerd Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 159	It's the reality. A lot of my buds who go to my gym do it because they can't get laid and they have a bad self image of themselves. They go to the gym for an ego boost and body building doesn't fix your insecurities. You can ignore what I'm saying and act like I dont know what i'm talking about. But no matter how big you get, you'll always want to get bigger, no matter what. Same principle why you see short guys riding trucks the size of an entire block. Prince, props to you because you're competing and you're making money off the sport.
	Kids dont drink and drive, get high and fly

01-18-2007, 07:44 PM	#55
reimon Nerd Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 159	reimon Join Date: Mar 2004 viet_jon Join Date: May 2006 Who's the new one here? --- And if my statement holds truth, whats the point in arguing or criticizing it?
	Kids dont drink and drive, get high and fly