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Old 06-01-2002, 02:21 AM   #1
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Post Post your back routine

I'm currently doing the following:

Deadlift - 4 sets 10/8/6/5
Barbell Row - 3 sets 10/10/10
Bentover Dumbell Row - 3 sets 10/10/10
Seated Cable Row - 3 sets 12/12/12
Lat Pulldown - 3 sets 12/10/8
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Old 06-01-2002, 05:23 AM   #2
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That is quite a workout!

Mine is this:

Hammer strength reverse grip pulldown - 2 sets both 4-6 rep region
Supported T bar rows - 2 sets, first set 4-6 reps, second set 8-12 reps.

That's it.

Although sometimes i'll do 1 set of a close grip low cable pulley row.



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Old 06-01-2002, 10:30 AM   #3
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Weighted pullups 2 sets
Pulldowns 2 sets (wide grip, narrow grip)
Deadlifts 3 sets
BB or DB rows 2 to 3 sets

Done.



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Old 06-01-2002, 12:59 PM   #4
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Mine is this:

Hammer strength reverse grip pulldown - 2 sets both 4-6 rep region
Supported T bar rows - 2 sets, first set 4-6 reps, second set 8-12 reps.
You think that 4 sets is enough? I assume that is after 1-2 warm-ups on each exercise, right?



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Old 06-01-2002, 02:18 PM   #5
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4 sets to failure wide grip pullups
4 sets DB bent over rows
4 sets heavy pull-downs with a V row bar on the cable
1 strip set wide grip pull downs to finish up.

STB... how much weight are you doing on your weighted pull ups??

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Old 06-01-2002, 03:46 PM   #6
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Deadlifts - 7 sets, reps 8/5/3/1/1/1/5 (power matrix)
Pullups - 3 sets wide grip palms away, 3 sets medium palms facing
reps anywhere from 3-8
Bent over BB rows OR 1 arm DB rows - 3 sets, 6-8 reps
Seated cable row OR seated machine row - 3 sets, 6-8 reps

Once I start failing on the power matrix program, I'll cut the auxiliary exercises back to 2 sets each.
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Old 06-01-2002, 03:55 PM   #7
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4 sets, stiff leg dead lifts
4 - 5 sets pull - ups (50 total reps) -or- 3 - 4 sets pull downs
3 - 4 sets bent over rows -or- 3 - 4 sets cable rows



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You think that 4 sets is enough? I assume that is after 1-2 warm-ups on each exercise, right?
I do about 2 progressive warm-ups on the pulldown and then go into my work sets. No more warm ups for back are performed.

4-6 sets is ideal.

I do about 4-5 for chest usually too.

4 for quads (squats and front squats), with 2 sets of stiffs for hams. (i do "thighs" collectively, which makes it 6 sets again.)

Why, do you think that 4 sets is too little?



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Old 06-01-2002, 04:27 PM   #9
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Why, do you think that 4 sets is too little?
Yes.



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Old 06-01-2002, 04:29 PM   #10
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Tell that to Mike Mentzer, Ray Mentzer, Dorian Yates (to some extent) and a few others.

Of course if you were arguing forthe case of high volume you could always tell me to look at lee priest, arnie etc...



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I do not believe in either extreme (high volume or low volume), I stay right around in the middle.



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Old 06-01-2002, 04:36 PM   #12
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Which is?

And you call 4 sets "low volume"?



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Old 06-01-2002, 04:44 PM   #13
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Old 06-01-2002, 09:06 PM   #14
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Seems I'm doing a hell of a lot more sets than most folks... but I don't feel I've got the mind/muscle connection down enough yet to get away with less sets. Also I'm still working on my deadlift technique, so I don't go very heavy yet. I do train back alone though... because after I've done it I'm absolutley drained.



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Old 06-01-2002, 09:50 PM   #15
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Deadlifts 3 sets--periodization
Rack pulls 1 set
T-bar rows 3 sets
Chins 1 set
Pulldowns 2 sets (sometimes wide grip, sometimes close)
Pullovers 2 sets



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Old 06-02-2002, 10:49 AM   #16
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How can anyone put a value on what is high volume and what is low volume? It’s too subjective.

Prince if you think Chicken's volume is low.......

My routine for back is:

1 super set of barbell pullovers and 1 set close grip chins or pull downs.
1 set deadlifts.

I do one light warm up for pull downs and 2 light warm ups for deads. Never more than half the work weight and only for a 3-5 reps.

The high and low volume debate will probably go on forever. I wont say high volume doesn’t work. But I will say a properly applied lowest volume necessary workout will yield quicker/better results.
Someone new to low volume training may need some coaching or training for the methods to be affective.

To do even one more rep than is required to stimulate the bodies general adaptation syndrome is over training. It merely leads to a greater inroad dug into a trainers recovery ability.

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High-intensity training is going all-out, not almost all out. It is taking one set to one's absolute limit, not almost to the limit. It is using whatever equipment’s available. It is not the words of two or three men, but a commitment to work as hard as possible while in the gym without socializing, resting excessively between sets, or falling prey to the 'this isn't going to work so I'll copy the star' attitude"
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Quote:
Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Why, do you think that 4 sets is too little?
Quote:
Originally posted by Prince
Yes
Prince, how can you say his volume is too low? Chicken is an intelligent person, if his plan isn’t working I’m sure he as since enough to change it.

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To refuse to learn anything that could prove beneficial to yourself is a working definition of stupid!

High-intensity training is going all-out, not almost all out. It is taking one set to one's absolute limit, not almost to the limit. It is using whatever equipment’s available. It is not the words of two or three men, but a commitment to work as hard as possible while in the gym without socializing, resting excessively between sets, or falling prey to the 'this isn't going to work so I'll copy the star' attitude"
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Devil

Currently;
3 sets Wide Grip Pull Up's
4 sets Deadlifts (expect last week when I got crazy and did 8 )
3 sets Barbell Rows Drop Setted
3 sets of Seated Cable Rows (Light Weight slow to stretch out the back)

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4 sets Deadlifts (expect last week when I got crazy and did 8 )

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No wonder you call yourself the Animal

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Prince, how can you say his volume is too low? Chicken is an intelligent person, if his plan isn’t working I’m sure he as since enough to change it.

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I can say it very easily!

Okay, he can change it, what's your point? TCD was not the person asking for advice here.



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My point is you decided volume was too low based solely on an arbitrary number of sets knowing very little about the trainer.

I’m just a HIT zealot always backing up the validity of low volume training.



To refuse to learn anything that could prove beneficial to yourself is a working definition of stupid!

High-intensity training is going all-out, not almost all out. It is taking one set to one's absolute limit, not almost to the limit. It is using whatever equipment’s available. It is not the words of two or three men, but a commitment to work as hard as possible while in the gym without socializing, resting excessively between sets, or falling prey to the 'this isn't going to work so I'll copy the star' attitude"
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Old 06-03-2002, 10:34 AM   #22
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rack pulls- 3X6-8
chins- 4x6-8
I normally do a BB row after these but lately my lower back hasn't been able to handle them. I'm still seeing nice results from just 2 moves.
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Old 06-03-2002, 11:54 AM   #23
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This is mine:
deadlifts 3 sets 10/8/6
lat pulldowns 3 sets 10/8/6
machine rows 3 sets 10/8/6
bent over barbell row 3 sets 10/8/6
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No wonder you call yourself the Animal

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Don't you know it

Well I got carried away and did an upwards pyrmid and then after 4 sets though SOD it I'm going back down and so I did

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Old 06-04-2002, 08:59 PM   #25
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Here's mine:
Back supersets: (Bent over rows+ T-bar rows + dumbell rows)*
*do 3 sets, go to failure on each

Pulldowns X 3: each set to failure, then drop the pin a few plates and burn it out

cable rows X 3

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UPPER BACK
3 sets of wide grip chins
4 sets of T-bar rows
2-3 sets of cable rows

Then on the following day
LOWER BACK AND HAMMIES
4 sets of Deads
3 sets of stiff legged deads
3-4 sets of some sort of leg curl.



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Old 06-05-2002, 05:51 AM   #27
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Heres mine :-

Deadlifts - 3 x 10
Barbell Rows - 3 x 10
Lat Pulldown - 3 x 10
Alternate Dumbbell Row - 3 x 10

Occassionaly i will do Wide Grip Pullups instead of Lat Pulldowns



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