Gain 10%+ more strength in one day!

Quinc · 03-16-2007, 01:13 PM

Go see the chiropractor. a real chiropractor that uses his hands and not that weird clicker thing. After going to the one i go to i noticed a huge increase in my deadlifts the next day. Later when i went back i asked him about it and he said that alot of powerlifters see him just for that reason alone, and that they add 10-15% to there lifts. best 30$ i've ever spent.

mrmark · 03-16-2007, 02:20 PM

Thanks for the advice but I'm not a fan of chiropracters and I do my deadlifts with near perfect form.

I think if doctors and physios have failed to help with back problems, chiros are a good resort.

However, 10% increase? It might be just that the people who see him have bad form or posture.

Duncans Donuts · 03-16-2007, 02:22 PM

Pretty bold guarantee

DontStop · 03-16-2007, 02:55 PM

I always feel weaker after an adjustment

Mickey4Fingers · 03-16-2007, 03:44 PM

never been to one. what do they do exactly?

mrmark · 03-16-2007, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey4Fingers

never been to one. what do they do exactly?

it's very debatable. A lot of doctors and physios will argue that they do more harm than good. Not just physically, but financially too as it is 'required' that people visit on a regular and indefinite basis.

However, some people swear by it.

Uthinkso · 03-16-2007, 09:34 PM

Never been to a chiropractor myself, but a good deep tissue massage works wonders.

Quinc · 03-16-2007, 09:51 PM

I love seeing the chriopractor i go once a month even if i dont have any problems. I feel great after going. The doc told me its because it gets all the nerves lined up where they should be. and everything is fireing when and where it should be. Deep tissue massage is great as well.

If you want to tell if your chrio is working for you. lay on your stomach and with your leg straight, lift it up as high as you can. after he adjusts you do it again and if its not easier to lift and you are able to raise it higher then go see a new chrio.

**P-funk** · 03-17-2007, 04:34 PM

1) that is an absurd garuntee

2) it depends on the chiro and what he does. most are all about cracking you or "re-setting" you. Figure out what is making you out of alignment....don't fix treat the symptom, treat the problem.

Quinc · 03-18-2007, 12:03 AM

its not a garuntee. but it makes since you line up everything and its going to work better. working out with heavy weights over and over is going to tweak your body in diffrent ways. the chrio puts it back where it belongs.. and yes it does depend on the chrio i have been to some real shitty ones as well. but doing the leg thing i mentioned earlier is a good way of knowing.

Plus there is a good chance you will get more for your money then buying most supplements out now days.. except cell tech of course

mrmark · 03-18-2007, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

1) that is an absurd garuntee

2) it depends on the chiro and what he does. most are all about cracking you or "re-setting" you. Figure out what is making you out of alignment....don't fix treat the symptom, treat the problem.

well said, that's why I dislike so many chiros because you have to visit on a regular basis indefinitely to treat the symptoms.

Quinc · 03-18-2007, 11:13 AM

go when you dont have any symptoms.

**P-funk** · 03-18-2007, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinc

go when you dont have any symptoms.

if you don't have symptoms, then why would you waste your money?

Quinc · 03-18-2007, 06:22 PM

maintance.

Duncans Donuts · 03-18-2007, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinc

maintance.

I subscribe to the MedX approach to treaning back pain.

I.E. treat the cause of the problem, not just the problem.

And the guarantee, as I mentioned earlier, is bold to the point of lunacy.

But then again you also said leg raises are going to seperate your abs

Quinc · 03-18-2007, 10:12 PM

i said that "milos" said leg raises were the best thing for abs..

Look all i'm saying is it worked for me i felt a hell of alot stronger after i saw him for no other reason then i feel good after. And he told me that there are powerlifters that see him as well for no other purpose then it makes them that much stronger for a meet.

**CowPimp** · 03-18-2007, 10:52 PM

I have my doubts about this statement, to say the least.

Nicky Carts · 03-18-2007, 11:39 PM

(im sure this has been said by a few)
i don't know too much about chiros, what they do, or how effective they are but 10% is a significant figure for almost and lift, especially if its someone thats been lifting for a significant amount of time...so im gonna have to think this statement is pretty absurd.

(ex. i max out on the flat bench around 260. i serious doubt that a trip to a chiro would allow me to do 276 the next day)

Quinc · 03-19-2007, 01:23 PM

try it. it wont hurt you to go, and its cheaper then a tub of protein powder.

i pay 30$ for full adjustment back hips neck. even if you only add 5lbs to your bench its more then any 30$ supplement would do for you. I'm just trying to help out.

mrmark · 03-19-2007, 01:26 PM

try it? why? if you haven't got any pains or aches it's a waste of money and if you have, go to your doctor or physio 1st.

Mickey4Fingers · 03-19-2007, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinc

try it. it wont hurt you to go, and its cheaper then a tub of protein powder.

i pay 30$ for full adjustment back hips neck. even if you only add 5lbs to your bench its more then any 30$ supplement would do for you. I'm just trying to help out.

do they make all your joints pop and crack????

that would freak me out!

Nicky Carts · 03-20-2007, 03:44 AM

tub of protein powder cost me less than 30 on my most recent order. and for the most part, i generally gain about 5lbs a week on the bench normally (this is assumed by the fact that i am usually able to max out at about 20lbs more than 4 or 5 weeks ago since thats how often i max out)

Adamjs · 03-20-2007, 08:12 AM

There's really no argument on chiropractic practice. Seven (7) years of legal war has already decided the following:

Wilk v. American Medical Association

"The plaintiffs [Wilk et. Al] clearly want more from the court. They want a judicial pronouncement that chiropractic is a valid, efficacious, even scientific health care service. I believe that the answer to that question can only be provided by a well designed, controlled, scientific study... No such study has ever been done. In the absence of such a study, the court is left to decide the issue on the basis of largely anecdotal evidence. I decline to pronounce chiropractic valid or invalid on anecdotal evidence."

If you take away the technicalities that Wilk et Al won the case on appeal as they were merely trying to change the wording of the AMA code of ethics that forbid medical practitioners to associate with what the AMA called an "unethical cult", aka, chiropractors. The judgement clearly says that there is no science to back up any chiropractic claims. Notwithstanding this, the case essentially became null and void when the AMA changed the wording of their code of ethics in 1980.

Back to Science 101 chiropractors.

mrmark · 03-20-2007, 09:58 AM

Nice find Adamjs - I'm definintely on the side of chiros causing more harm than good, and I don't mean just physically, financially too.

Until Quinc can fund such a survey, there will be little support for his claims.

slip · 03-20-2007, 11:53 PM

I have been to a number of them, and even the best (who used to practice at they Olympics, did Carl Lewis etc) had his limits. I have not had a headache since I was 12 (had them regularly then, which is why I went) and he saved Dad from surgery when he got so bad he could only crawl.....sometimes.

But, never got me right, always had neck and back pain. Being weak, and having shit posture, it was just a cracking every week, could never be anything more - but for headaches/serious problems, a GOOD chiro may very well be the way to go.

**CowPimp** · 03-21-2007, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Carts

(im sure this has been said by a few)
i don't know too much about chiros, what they do, or how effective they are but 10% is a significant figure for almost and lift, especially if its someone thats been lifting for a significant amount of time...so im gonna have to think this statement is pretty absurd.

(ex. i max out on the flat bench around 260. i serious doubt that a trip to a chiro would allow me to do 276 the next day)

Exactly. They are blowing smoke up your ass. You think an elite lifter, or even intermediate-advanced lifter is going to add 10%? I somehow doubt it.

Eich · 03-22-2007, 08:28 PM

A good "adjustment" from a chiropractor does only one thing that truly reduces pain, and it's only temporary. Because of the acupressure/acupuncture and trigger points they activate, the person being adjusted gets a pretty big endorphin release. Aside from that, chiros don't really do anything that's proven to help. I'm with mrmark on this one, they do more harm than good.

Oh yeah, and the line about chiropractors realigning all your nerves is essentially bull.

slip · 03-23-2007, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eich

A good "adjustment" from a chiropractor does only one thing that truly reduces pain, and it's only temporary.

As rare as my case is, explain the fact that I have not had 1 headache (not even from a hangover) since my course of adjustments over 10 years ago to treat them and my father never ending up going in for surgery that physio's said he had to have? You can't just say every adjustment and it's effects are temporary as a blanket statement.

I agree with you that often they are just getting everthing back into line, where it will be pulled out again by whatever is causing it. But - they do have their uses, strong points, and success with long term results. We could just as easily attack naturopaths, acupuncturists, western medicine, homeopaths etc. All have their strengths/weaknesses, advocates and critics.

Eich · 03-23-2007, 01:33 AM

It certainly is an interesting couple of cases that you have, I won't deny you that.

Regarding the surgery, I would need to know what the root of the problem was as well as the procedure his physician advocated in order to even take a guess. Concerning the headaches, there could be any of a number of reasons that you stopped getting headaches. Many people outgrow headaches, at least to some degree. There's also the possibility that your headaches are inhibited to some degree by the consistent endorphin releases that you have, but I'm not sure.

I'm not trying to make things a personal attack, I was merely expressing my opinion and agreement with mrmark.

slip · 03-23-2007, 02:50 AM

Eich - definately wasnt being anything less than civil, discussion/debate is good, and I do agree that in many cases it may not be the best option, but they definately have their success and uses.

Cant remember exact details on surgery, but he was at the stage where he couldnt walk, had to crawl to the toilet, excrutiating pain even doing that etc. Was in his early 40's at the time. Discs had something to do with it. I don't think the other chiros ive used could have achieved this result, our original guy who practiced at the Olympics was miles ahead.

Headaches - I don't use chiropractors anymore, and haven't for a very very long time. There was a distinct correlation between treatment and cessation of headaches.

The only thing that has ever improved my back has been weight training, and stress reduction. Huge changes that a chiro never went close to, because they could never fix my posture and increase muscle mass.

I see them as a "why not" if you have a problem that seems suitable. Sent one of my clients to a chiro recently, great results so far, she has a very messed up cervical section, but she is the only one I've sent. Everyone else is just posture/stretching/weights/physio.

03-16-2007, 01:13 PM	#1
Quinc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 97	Gain 10%+ more strength in one day! Go see the chiropractor. a real chiropractor that uses his hands and not that weird clicker thing. After going to the one i go to i noticed a huge increase in my deadlifts the next day. Later when i went back i asked him about it and he said that alot of powerlifters see him just for that reason alone, and that they add 10-15% to there lifts. best 30$ i've ever spent. "the body cannot achieve what the mind cannot conceive, if you believe.....you will achieve" www.mindandmuscle.net

03-16-2007, 02:20 PM	#2
mrmark Londoner Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 999 Photos: 1	Thanks for the advice but I'm not a fan of chiropracters and I do my deadlifts with near perfect form. I think if doctors and physios have failed to help with back problems, chiros are a good resort. However, 10% increase? It might be just that the people who see him have bad form or posture. I love it when a plan comes together.

03-16-2007, 02:22 PM	#3
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,776 Photos: 2	Pretty bold guarantee "in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

03-16-2007, 02:55 PM	#4
DontStop pappy Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Edmonton Posts: 2,592 Photos: 33	I always feel weaker after an adjustment You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

03-16-2007, 09:34 PM	#7
Uthinkso Go on....DO IT!!! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,304 Photos: 3	Never been to a chiropractor myself, but a good deep tissue massage works wonders. I do my best to focus on the task at hand, and give 100% in what I'm doing at the time. Nothing else matters except the task at hand.

03-16-2007, 03:44 PM	#5
Mickey4Fingers Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 86	never been to one. what do they do exactly?

03-16-2007, 09:51 PM	#8
Quinc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 97	I love seeing the chriopractor i go once a month even if i dont have any problems. I feel great after going. The doc told me its because it gets all the nerves lined up where they should be. and everything is fireing when and where it should be. Deep tissue massage is great as well. If you want to tell if your chrio is working for you. lay on your stomach and with your leg straight, lift it up as high as you can. after he adjusts you do it again and if its not easier to lift and you are able to raise it higher then go see a new chrio. "the body cannot achieve what the mind cannot conceive, if you believe.....you will achieve" www.mindandmuscle.net

03-17-2007, 04:34 PM	#9
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 31,699	1) that is an absurd garuntee 2) it depends on the chiro and what he does. most are all about cracking you or "re-setting" you. Figure out what is making you out of alignment....don't fix treat the symptom, treat the problem. E-Book: Take Charge! Everything You Need To Know To Write Your Own Training Programs Online Consulting/Program Design Reality Based Fitness Podcast Check me out on Twitter! Subscribe to our free monthly newsletter! "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

03-18-2007, 12:03 AM	#10
Quinc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 97	its not a garuntee. but it makes since you line up everything and its going to work better. working out with heavy weights over and over is going to tweak your body in diffrent ways. the chrio puts it back where it belongs.. and yes it does depend on the chrio i have been to some real shitty ones as well. but doing the leg thing i mentioned earlier is a good way of knowing. Plus there is a good chance you will get more for your money then buying most supplements out now days.. except cell tech of course "the body cannot achieve what the mind cannot conceive, if you believe.....you will achieve" www.mindandmuscle.net

03-18-2007, 11:13 AM	#12
Quinc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 97	go when you dont have any symptoms. "the body cannot achieve what the mind cannot conceive, if you believe.....you will achieve" www.mindandmuscle.net

03-18-2007, 06:22 PM	#14
Quinc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 97	maintance. "the body cannot achieve what the mind cannot conceive, if you believe.....you will achieve" www.mindandmuscle.net

03-18-2007, 10:12 PM	#16
Quinc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 97	i said that "milos" said leg raises were the best thing for abs.. Look all i'm saying is it worked for me i felt a hell of alot stronger after i saw him for no other reason then i feel good after. And he told me that there are powerlifters that see him as well for no other purpose then it makes them that much stronger for a meet. "the body cannot achieve what the mind cannot conceive, if you believe.....you will achieve" www.mindandmuscle.net

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CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,615	I have my doubts about this statement, to say the least. The only time it's bad to feel the burn is when you're peeing... Belligerent Bovine badass YouTube Videos

03-18-2007, 11:39 PM	#18
Nicky Carts the epitome of a beast Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 49	(im sure this has been said by a few) i don't know too much about chiros, what they do, or how effective they are but 10% is a significant figure for almost and lift, especially if its someone thats been lifting for a significant amount of time...so im gonna have to think this statement is pretty absurd. (ex. i max out on the flat bench around 260. i serious doubt that a trip to a chiro would allow me to do 276 the next day)

03-19-2007, 01:23 PM	#19
Quinc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 97	try it. it wont hurt you to go, and its cheaper then a tub of protein powder. i pay 30$ for full adjustment back hips neck. even if you only add 5lbs to your bench its more then any 30$ supplement would do for you. I'm just trying to help out. "the body cannot achieve what the mind cannot conceive, if you believe.....you will achieve" www.mindandmuscle.net

03-19-2007, 01:26 PM	#20
mrmark Londoner Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 999 Photos: 1	try it? why? if you haven't got any pains or aches it's a waste of money and if you have, go to your doctor or physio 1st. I love it when a plan comes together.

03-20-2007, 03:44 AM	#22
Nicky Carts the epitome of a beast Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 49	tub of protein powder cost me less than 30 on my most recent order. and for the most part, i generally gain about 5lbs a week on the bench normally (this is assumed by the fact that i am usually able to max out at about 20lbs more than 4 or 5 weeks ago since thats how often i max out)

03-20-2007, 08:12 AM	#23
Adamjs Adamjs Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 264	There's really no argument on chiropractic practice. Seven (7) years of legal war has already decided the following: Wilk v. American Medical Association "The plaintiffs [Wilk et. Al] clearly want more from the court. They want a judicial pronouncement that chiropractic is a valid, efficacious, even scientific health care service. I believe that the answer to that question can only be provided by a well designed, controlled, scientific study... No such study has ever been done. In the absence of such a study, the court is left to decide the issue on the basis of largely anecdotal evidence. I decline to pronounce chiropractic valid or invalid on anecdotal evidence." If you take away the technicalities that Wilk et Al won the case on appeal as they were merely trying to change the wording of the AMA code of ethics that forbid medical practitioners to associate with what the AMA called an "unethical cult", aka, chiropractors. The judgement clearly says that there is no science to back up any chiropractic claims. Notwithstanding this, the case essentially became null and void when the AMA changed the wording of their code of ethics in 1980. Back to Science 101 chiropractors. ____________________________________________ Restless soul, enjoy your youth. Like Muhammad. Hits the truth. Can't escape from the common rule - if you hate something don't you do it too.

03-20-2007, 09:58 AM	#24
mrmark Londoner Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 999 Photos: 1	Nice find Adamjs - I'm definintely on the side of chiros causing more harm than good, and I don't mean just physically, financially too. Until Quinc can fund such a survey, there will be little support for his claims. I love it when a plan comes together.

03-20-2007, 11:53 PM	#25
slip Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 346	I have been to a number of them, and even the best (who used to practice at they Olympics, did Carl Lewis etc) had his limits. I have not had a headache since I was 12 (had them regularly then, which is why I went) and he saved Dad from surgery when he got so bad he could only crawl.....sometimes. But, never got me right, always had neck and back pain. Being weak, and having shit posture, it was just a cracking every week, could never be anything more - but for headaches/serious problems, a GOOD chiro may very well be the way to go.

03-22-2007, 08:28 PM	#27
Eich Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2	A good "adjustment" from a chiropractor does only one thing that truly reduces pain, and it's only temporary. Because of the acupressure/acupuncture and trigger points they activate, the person being adjusted gets a pretty big endorphin release. Aside from that, chiros don't really do anything that's proven to help. I'm with mrmark on this one, they do more harm than good. Oh yeah, and the line about chiropractors realigning all your nerves is essentially bull.

03-23-2007, 01:33 AM	#29
Eich Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2	It certainly is an interesting couple of cases that you have, I won't deny you that. Regarding the surgery, I would need to know what the root of the problem was as well as the procedure his physician advocated in order to even take a guess. Concerning the headaches, there could be any of a number of reasons that you stopped getting headaches. Many people outgrow headaches, at least to some degree. There's also the possibility that your headaches are inhibited to some degree by the consistent endorphin releases that you have, but I'm not sure. I'm not trying to make things a personal attack, I was merely expressing my opinion and agreement with mrmark. "Easy weight, baby!" - Ronnie Coleman

03-23-2007, 02:50 AM	#30
slip Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 346	Eich - definately wasnt being anything less than civil, discussion/debate is good, and I do agree that in many cases it may not be the best option, but they definately have their success and uses. Cant remember exact details on surgery, but he was at the stage where he couldnt walk, had to crawl to the toilet, excrutiating pain even doing that etc. Was in his early 40's at the time. Discs had something to do with it. I don't think the other chiros ive used could have achieved this result, our original guy who practiced at the Olympics was miles ahead. Headaches - I don't use chiropractors anymore, and haven't for a very very long time. There was a distinct correlation between treatment and cessation of headaches. The only thing that has ever improved my back has been weight training, and stress reduction. Huge changes that a chiro never went close to, because they could never fix my posture and increase muscle mass. I see them as a "why not" if you have a problem that seems suitable. Sent one of my clients to a chiro recently, great results so far, she has a very messed up cervical section, but she is the only one I've sent. Everyone else is just posture/stretching/weights/physio.

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