pre exhaust traps

RockSolid · 03-22-2007, 10:20 AM

i work at "the corner store" and I was bored and read a magazine, it suggested pre exhausting traps before doing shoulders, I tried it and I wasnt sure if it made much of a difference. Is this a good or a bad thing and what can you gain from it?

**Gazhole** · 03-22-2007, 11:04 AM

What reasons did the mag give for pre-exhausting traps?

Considering its a magazine in the first place, i call bullshit.

I dont isolate traps or have a shoulder day anyway, so its of no use to me whatsoever.

KelJu · 03-22-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gazhole

What reasons did the mag give for pre-exhausting traps?

Considering its a magazine in the first place, i call bullshit.

I dont isolate traps or have a shoulder day anyway, so its of no use to me whatsoever.

I'm calling bullshit also.

I'm doing P/P/L, so it would be pointless.

Witchblade · 03-22-2007, 12:20 PM

I don't even do isolation work for traps. Why would you?

vortrit · 03-22-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KelJu

I'm calling bullshit also.

I'm doing P/P/L, so it would be pointless.

Ditto.

AKIRA · 03-22-2007, 01:27 PM

I wouldnt call bullshit. Cuz just like you guys, I didnt read the article.

Maybe it was written in an effort to get passed a plateau.

ALBOB · 03-22-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

I don't even do isolation work for traps. Why would you?

You do deadlifts, you get big traps. What else is there?

BoneCrusher · 03-22-2007, 05:35 PM

The only reason I would do that is to exclude a muscle group as I worked around an injury. Case in point when I tore my rt bi a few years ago. I hated sitting out and did some off the wall shit just to try and lift. People at the gym that didn't know me shot some odd looks my way at times. Made me feel like a

KelJu · 03-22-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

I don't even do isolation work for traps. Why would you?

Aren't shrugs isolation?

KelJu · 03-22-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ALBOB

You do deadlifts, you get big traps. What else is there?

Lawl, dead lifts are a pathetic trap workout.

Witchblade · 03-22-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KelJu

Aren't shrugs isolation?

Yes, but they get hit plenty with rows and deads. The upper traps are frequently way stronger than the mid/lower traps as it is, no need to make that problem worse.

Unless you are talking about the mid/lower traps I see no need whatsoever to do shrugs. They're a silly exercise anyway with their 2 inch ROM.

slip · 03-23-2007, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

They're a silly exercise anyway with their 2 inch ROM.

So the merit of an exercise is based on its ROM?

Calf work, scapula retraction/depression, tibilais anterior work, serratus work, all have small ROM.

ALBOB · 03-23-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KelJu

Lawl, dead lifts are a pathetic trap workout.

KelJu · 03-23-2007, 09:30 AM

I have dead lifted and I rowed religiously for the last year. I do both on every pulling training day, and my traps were always just average or maybe even below average compared to my other movements.

My traps exploded when I started working them directly with heavy barbell shrugs. My traps are probably my best attribute, because I train them directly.

So you guys can laugh, flame or whatever. I'm right, and I'll take the monster traps. You guys can settle for little bitty girl traps, and keep laughing.

Witchblade · 03-23-2007, 07:12 PM

Do what works for you. I got proportionally big traps and I've never done an upper trap shrug in my life. And I never will cause big traps are ugly IMO.

And yes, ROM is an important factor in the usefulness of an exercise. I never said ROM solely dictated the usefulness of an exercise though.

Double D · 03-23-2007, 08:27 PM

Hell I do very little isolation in the first place. And isolating the traps, hum....never heard of it. Like Gaz said, it came from a bb'ing mag. Stop reading them!

RockSolid · 03-27-2007, 06:40 PM

it probably was some bs, and I only read the crap because i was bored as hell. However your traps are one strong muscle and if they are a bit pre exhausted before im pushing then it probably makes my delts do a bit more of the workload, i am gonna try it and report what happens around may...btw this is my routine, I have been all compound lifts for like 8 month and it worked well so I think im gonna do a little iso stuff for the rest of the semester until may 10th..

mon - chest + back (push, pull, push, pull, dips, 3 sets biceps)
tue - legs
wed - off
thurs - shoulders + triceps + 3 sets biceps
fri - off
sat - full body compound (bench, bent row, shoulder press, squat and 3 sets biceps)
sun - off

its not real great but not what im used to either, my strength is up a little already and my body feels fine with a good diet, if i start to feel overtrained ill go back to what I was doing.

03-22-2007, 10:20 AM	#1
RockSolid Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 110 Photos: 3	pre exhaust traps i work at "the corner store" and I was bored and read a magazine, it suggested pre exhausting traps before doing shoulders, I tried it and I wasnt sure if it made much of a difference. Is this a good or a bad thing and what can you gain from it?

03-22-2007, 11:04 AM	#2
Gazhole iwillmakeyousmelltheglove Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 7,999 Photos: 19	What reasons did the mag give for pre-exhausting traps? Considering its a magazine in the first place, i call bullshit. I dont isolate traps or have a shoulder day anyway, so its of no use to me whatsoever. http://sdatrainingprograms.blogspot.com - Updated 13/11/09 ***READ THIS FOR TRAINING INFO:*** http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/99879-articles-ironmagazineforums-members.html If you want to win the fight, say "I BELIEVE".

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Witchblade Succinct Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Holland Posts: 4,474 Photos: 2	I don't even do isolation work for traps. Why would you? My Linkdump [LSFW] IM Official FAQ [WORK IN PROGRESS]

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AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,787 Photos: 3	I wouldnt call bullshit. Cuz just like you guys, I didnt read the article. Maybe it was written in an effort to get passed a plateau. 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

03-23-2007, 07:12 PM	#15
Witchblade Succinct Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Holland Posts: 4,474 Photos: 2	Do what works for you. I got proportionally big traps and I've never done an upper trap shrug in my life. And I never will cause big traps are ugly IMO. And yes, ROM is an important factor in the usefulness of an exercise. I never said ROM solely dictated the usefulness of an exercise though. My Linkdump [LSFW] IM Official FAQ [WORK IN PROGRESS]

03-22-2007, 05:35 PM	#8
BoneCrusher Lift or Die Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 8,589	The only reason I would do that is to exclude a muscle group as I worked around an injury. Case in point when I tore my rt bi a few years ago. I hated sitting out and did some off the wall shit just to try and lift. People at the gym that didn't know me shot some odd looks my way at times. Made me feel like a

03-23-2007, 09:30 AM	#14
KelJu Thats Dr. Keke to you! Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In my imagination. Posts: 10,156 Photos: 2	I have dead lifted and I rowed religiously for the last year. I do both on every pulling training day, and my traps were always just average or maybe even below average compared to my other movements. My traps exploded when I started working them directly with heavy barbell shrugs. My traps are probably my best attribute, because I train them directly. So you guys can laugh, flame or whatever. I'm right, and I'll take the monster traps. You guys can settle for little bitty girl traps, and keep laughing.

03-23-2007, 08:27 PM	#16
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,459 Photos: 1	Hell I do very little isolation in the first place. And isolating the traps, hum....never heard of it. Like Gaz said, it came from a bb'ing mag. Stop reading them!

03-27-2007, 06:40 PM	#17
RockSolid Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 110 Photos: 3	it probably was some bs, and I only read the crap because i was bored as hell. However your traps are one strong muscle and if they are a bit pre exhausted before im pushing then it probably makes my delts do a bit more of the workload, i am gonna try it and report what happens around may...btw this is my routine, I have been all compound lifts for like 8 month and it worked well so I think im gonna do a little iso stuff for the rest of the semester until may 10th.. mon - chest + back (push, pull, push, pull, dips, 3 sets biceps) tue - legs wed - off thurs - shoulders + triceps + 3 sets biceps fri - off sat - full body compound (bench, bent row, shoulder press, squat and 3 sets biceps) sun - off its not real great but not what im used to either, my strength is up a little already and my body feels fine with a good diet, if i start to feel overtrained ill go back to what I was doing.

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