Fast or slow lift??

**Mudge** · 06-14-2002, 05:53 AM

Wow, that is great. The only time I ever grew like that, is when I had a ton of stretch marks to go along with it, which I still have after about 6 years.

KryptoAllez · 06-14-2002, 07:49 AM

I personally like lifting fairly slow and even slower on negatives. I feel I can also concentrate on the muscle being worked better and I just like the time under tension concept.

The only time I really do any fast movements is when I'm performing my plyometric exercises for my legs. And in that case I am mainly concerned about further developing my explosive power for sprinting.

Sometimes I think you can get too into it when the important thing is just that you lift and lift comfortably, as in, no unusual pain. You can get great results from so many ways of training, as long as your nutrition and recovery is in line.

I like debating the stuff in order to further my knowledge on the subject but in actuality, I really don't get hung up on how I should train, I basically just shut up and lift when the time comes!

**gopro** · 06-14-2002, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by peetrips
If i want to build size should my reps be slower?? What is the diff between lifting fast and slow?? I know i can punch out 8 reps of a certain weight fast but slow it down and its a different story altogether!!
Once again i thank you!

All rep speeds have benefits. Most of the time a slow negative, pause, explosive positive (4/1/1)...will produce the best hypertrophy gains. However, what is most important in TUT, or time under tension for a set. For best hypertrophy results, keep your set in the 40-60 range.

The body does need variety, however...

-In strength training, if maximal strength is your concern, higher resistence training at slower speeds are advantageous.

-For most sports strength is expressed at high velocities, therefore explosive training works best here.

-Change your lifting speed every once in a while. Don't let your mind and body "get bored!"

Rissole · 06-15-2002, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tidalwaverus

great job I'm surprized nobody else change their workout to see
if this king tut suff works. I love to read all the debate but where is the results ?

maybe just don't want to cop to it, can't curl them 50's slow huh?

maybe it kick their a$$......... only one PEETRIPS you earned it Bro

I just want to say it works on more than just arms HeHe

Thanks heaps Tidal Arms are just a really ezy check point trying as best to use it everywhere else!!Waiting to see how well i can bench 200lb slow

tidalwaverus · 06-15-2002, 10:46 AM

ya buddy ouch LMAO I have never seen that if I could that my max would be 500+

Pic day monday for progress after 8 weeks wait and see !

my max bench was 200 lbs... weak I know but I started from stratch I was in a wheelchair pilot for mos. and home bound longer than I want remember.

I just wanted to walk again normal

**Mudge** · 06-15-2002, 11:39 AM

I tried TUT yesterday for the first time (on purpose), my neck is more sore than usual (neck), my traps dont feel too much different, but my shoulders definately feel bigger (about as much as they can in 1 days time). Other than that, my forearms feel pretty dense too, from doing traps I think and trying to hold onto the weight for so long!

tidalwaverus · 06-15-2002, 02:13 PM

mudge, glad you tried it change ever other week tut / reg WO

bicepts, tricepts, chest, legs or abs try it (tut) 1 wk.

next wk. you will be doing more lbs. easy I mean like it's nothing

I promise you will get bigger also.

3rd week do a work up to max 2 reps rest 30-60 sec 2 more2 more 2 more 2 at failure rest the next or two go reg. WO you will be shocked at the results one muscle group

PLease try it and post your results

Rissole · 06-16-2002, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tidalwaverus

Pic day monday for progress after 8 weeks wait and see !

my max bench was 200 lbs... weak I know but I started from stratch I was in a wheelchair pilot for mos. and home bound longer than I want remember.

I just wanted to walk again normal

200 lbs is ok Tidal (thats what i do)
Gotta do the pic thing i'm takin new pics in about 2weeks (pics of me in 'pec judging' thread members pics from about 4weeks ago) then i'll take some more to match your 8 weeks!! (gotta wait till my old man brings his digi cam home

Rissole · 06-16-2002, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
I tried TUT yesterday for the first time (on purpose), my neck is more sore than usual (neck), forearms feel pretty dense too, from doing traps I think and trying to hold onto the weight for so long!

Lmao gotta watch how hard you clench your teeth dude!! lol Or how far you stick your chin out!!
As far as forearms are concerned i dont do any forearm work cause i get heaps from what you said, just hangin on!! and i'm pretty sure they're growin. Doesn't that attack on your specific muscle feel great

give it some more time dude you get a bit more used to it and i reckon it becomes more effective

**Mudge** · 06-16-2002, 12:21 PM

I actually train my neck (2 sets each of 4 sides)

, 2 days after my shoulder workout I'm very sure that they grew, they feel bigger, and the seperation from the rest of my measly arm is more apparant.

Quote:

glad you tried it change ever other week tut / reg WO

Ditto, I am sorry I never payed attention to this before. When I was younger when my dad would show me stuff occasionally, coupled with the big guys I saw working out, I often saw them working out slowly and for some reason it never clicked into my brain to investigate why. Today is a day off, tomorow I'll give a shot to regular workouts again, and switch week to week as you suggest.

Thanks!

Oh, I also do 2-3 sets for forearm work, with my finishing movement being a farmers walk.

Rissole · 06-19-2002, 07:00 AM

Hey Tidal i went from my normal bench of 220lbs 2sets 9/8 and slowed it down mainly on the downward movement and only got out 8/6!!
slowed down the rest of my routine on Monday and my chest is still feelin it wednesday night !! Hit em real good

Rissole · 06-19-2002, 08:21 PM

Sweet!!
Its now Thursday and i can still feel the hit in my chest

I'm hoping to bring my chest up a bit for the comp in September (along with everything else!!

)
I need to get my previous measurments off my p/t (do that this weekend) then take measurment now i'll let you know how i go
I love doin dips i put 15kgs on last time and did them slow(ish) lol
Gotta make it burn

Rissole · 06-20-2002, 08:19 PM

Mate if i'm puttin on muscle wieght i dont care i need as much muscle as i can get for this comp im doin

Got back and shoulders today, see how that goes?
Dont worry about what your mates are sayin when you reap the benifits you'll be the one doin' the snickerin' teee heee

tidalwaverus · 06-20-2002, 09:45 PM

Funny, today my friend was doing the chest workout slow trying like hell not to breath hard.

I look over and see him shaking LOL no after he came over and ask me about it he is not improving (while I am) another follower

anyway set him up on hammer curls 10 lbs 8 count he made to 100 but he is going to feel it in morning he likes to work out everyday so I told him how to rotate legs chest arms back and abs

he wants results he got it wait tell tomorrow he he

his pride got the best of him man is he going to be sore
I know because if you don't train this way it kick your a$$

I did 40 lbs @ 100 reps TUT on tricepts I made it
FUQ I got to 80 and wished I was doing 100 lbs. fast
just for more I did 30 hammer curls slow make sure I ;m good and sore

PS unless someone is doing big wt nobody post how much(if real)
come on guys fess up

Rissole · 06-21-2002, 05:46 AM

I dont know about an 8 count mines more like 5-6

Still hurts like hell! Had to take about 10kg of my shoulder press!!

1xDeatHsHeaDx3 · 06-24-2002, 04:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ponyboy
Your own statement there should give you the answer. More muscle fibers are recruited on the negative portion of a repetition. This is one reason that you can lower a lot more than you can lift (hence negative training). The idea is to be powerful on the positive and then use the negative to slowly lower the weight. Try lifting for a two count and lowering for four.

Sometimes with clients I do ten second squats...ten seconds up and ten seconds down. Usually by about four they are running for the bathroom or falling over

Yep, TUT (Time Under Tension), I like it for chest, explosive power going up to hit fast twitch fibers, and slow down to hit the slow twitch muscle fibers, but also with Tut, you want to not lock-out, so as to keep tension on the muscles at all times, it will wear you out, and of course I do change up my routine, not TUT all of the time. Also do low rep high weight for size, but, you couldn't do as much weight incorporating it with TUT, because of the strain/fatigue. Low rep = Size, Mid = Strength, Hight = Tone, something like that.

Rissole · 06-24-2002, 05:16 AM

If you explode on the upward movement too much you will bring alot of other muscles into play, eg front delts
I go 1/2 the speed down of what i go up with smooth transition at the bottom
Oohh sounds sexual eh??

tidalwaverus · 06-24-2002, 07:04 AM

OH what the hell ..............TRAIN AWAY

TUT week was fun now it's max week again OH NO

06-14-2002, 05:53 AM	#31
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06-14-2002, 07:49 AM	#32
KryptoAllez Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dover, DE Posts: 138	I personally like lifting fairly slow and even slower on negatives. I feel I can also concentrate on the muscle being worked better and I just like the time under tension concept. The only time I really do any fast movements is when I'm performing my plyometric exercises for my legs. And in that case I am mainly concerned about further developing my explosive power for sprinting. Sometimes I think you can get too into it when the important thing is just that you lift and lift comfortably, as in, no unusual pain. You can get great results from so many ways of training, as long as your nutrition and recovery is in line. I like debating the stuff in order to further my knowledge on the subject but in actuality, I really don't get hung up on how I should train, I basically just shut up and lift when the time comes!
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06-15-2002, 10:46 AM	#35
tidalwaverus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 237	ya buddy ouch LMAO I have never seen that if I could that my max would be 500+ Pic day monday for progress after 8 weeks wait and see ! my max bench was 200 lbs... weak I know but I started from stratch I was in a wheelchair pilot for mos. and home bound longer than I want remember. I just wanted to walk again normal
	Ya never know

06-15-2002, 11:39 AM	#36
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	I tried TUT yesterday for the first time (on purpose), my neck is more sore than usual (neck), my traps dont feel too much different, but my shoulders definately feel bigger (about as much as they can in 1 days time). Other than that, my forearms feel pretty dense too, from doing traps I think and trying to hold onto the weight for so long!
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

06-15-2002, 02:13 PM	#37
tidalwaverus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 237	mudge, glad you tried it change ever other week tut / reg WO bicepts, tricepts, chest, legs or abs try it (tut) 1 wk. next wk. you will be doing more lbs. easy I mean like it's nothing I promise you will get bigger also. 3rd week do a work up to max 2 reps rest 30-60 sec 2 more2 more 2 more 2 at failure rest the next or two go reg. WO you will be shocked at the results one muscle group PLease try it and post your results
	Ya never know

06-19-2002, 07:00 AM	#41
Rissole 2 Samuel 24:24 Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: "OZTRAILYA" :D Posts: 8,286 Photos: 36	Hey Tidal i went from my normal bench of 220lbs 2sets 9/8 and slowed it down mainly on the downward movement and only got out 8/6!! slowed down the rest of my routine on Monday and my chest is still feelin it wednesday night !! Hit em real good
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06-19-2002, 08:21 PM	#42
Rissole 2 Samuel 24:24 Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: "OZTRAILYA" :D Posts: 8,286 Photos: 36	Sweet!! Its now Thursday and i can still feel the hit in my chest I'm hoping to bring my chest up a bit for the comp in September (along with everything else!! ) I need to get my previous measurments off my p/t (do that this weekend) then take measurment now i'll let you know how i go I love doin dips i put 15kgs on last time and did them slow(ish) lol Gotta make it burn
	My Journal

06-20-2002, 08:19 PM	#43
Rissole 2 Samuel 24:24 Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: "OZTRAILYA" :D Posts: 8,286 Photos: 36	Mate if i'm puttin on muscle wieght i dont care i need as much muscle as i can get for this comp im doin Got back and shoulders today, see how that goes? Dont worry about what your mates are sayin when you reap the benifits you'll be the one doin' the snickerin' teee heee
	My Journal

06-20-2002, 09:45 PM	#44
tidalwaverus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 237	Funny, today my friend was doing the chest workout slow trying like hell not to breath hard. I look over and see him shaking LOL no after he came over and ask me about it he is not improving (while I am) another follower anyway set him up on hammer curls 10 lbs 8 count he made to 100 but he is going to feel it in morning he likes to work out everyday so I told him how to rotate legs chest arms back and abs he wants results he got it wait tell tomorrow he he his pride got the best of him man is he going to be sore I know because if you don't train this way it kick your a$$ I did 40 lbs @ 100 reps TUT on tricepts I made it FUQ I got to 80 and wished I was doing 100 lbs. fast just for more I did 30 hammer curls slow make sure I ;m good and sore PS unless someone is doing big wt nobody post how much(if real) come on guys fess up
	Ya never know

06-21-2002, 05:46 AM	#45
Rissole 2 Samuel 24:24 Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: "OZTRAILYA" :D Posts: 8,286 Photos: 36	I dont know about an 8 count mines more like 5-6 Still hurts like hell! Had to take about 10kg of my shoulder press!!
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06-24-2002, 05:16 AM	#47
Rissole 2 Samuel 24:24 Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: "OZTRAILYA" :D Posts: 8,286 Photos: 36	If you explode on the upward movement too much you will bring alot of other muscles into play, eg front delts I go 1/2 the speed down of what i go up with smooth transition at the bottom Oohh sounds sexual eh??
	My Journal

06-24-2002, 07:04 AM	#48
tidalwaverus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 237	OH what the hell ..............TRAIN AWAY TUT week was fun now it's max week again OH NO
	Ya never know

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