Deadlifts: back day or leg day?

SheLifts · 03-26-2007, 02:28 PM

What day do you normally do them?

I've never really done traditional ones and would like to incorporate them into my routine.

fufu · 03-26-2007, 02:29 PM

Lower

KelJu · 03-26-2007, 03:22 PM

Back day for sure.

KelJu · 03-26-2007, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheLifts

What day do you normally do them?

I've never really done traditional ones and would like to incorporate them into my routine.

BTW, I would also recommend doing them sumo style to prevent back injuries.

fufu · 03-26-2007, 03:31 PM

I advocate them on lower day because you use alot of the same muscles as a squat.

This is how it applies to me -

monday - lower
wednesday - upper
friday - lower
saturday - upper

If I did deadlifts on wednesday for upper it would be like training the squat muscles three training days in a row. I could see this leading to overtraining depending on how you have all the variables layed out. Just something to keep in mind.

Also, I'm not saying deadlifts don't train the entire back, they sure do, I definitely keep that in mind when training upper.

AKIRA · 03-26-2007, 03:51 PM

Oh no, not this thread again.

Id say to always put them on a lower day.

To be specific though...

My opinion:
Rack Deadlifts -> back day(pull)
Most other deads ->l ower day

Double D · 03-26-2007, 04:41 PM

I always do them on lower day. I havent did them on my upper day well in......ok never.

Nate K · 03-26-2007, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KelJu

BTW, I would also recommend doing them sumo style to prevent back injuries.

I disagree.
Just do what feels best to you with good form every rep.

KelJu · 03-26-2007, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate K

I disagree.
Just do what feels best to you with good form every rep.

you disagree with what? Are you saying she shouldn't try sumo deads? If so, I come.

Double D · 03-26-2007, 05:00 PM

I think sumos are much easier on a persons back, but it is much tougher on the hips.

Double D · 03-26-2007, 05:00 PM

Ok, maybe not much easier, but you get the point.

KelJu · 03-26-2007, 05:20 PM

I know that I could pull more standard than I could sumo until I trained sumo for a while.

I just think they are safer. My back use to be numb for almost 30 minutes after doing standard deads. Then the next day my back was stiff and inflammated. I was having to eat IBprofin to get the inflammation down. Once I switched to sumo dead I have had no problems at all with deads.

Triple Threat · 03-26-2007, 05:43 PM

Lower

AKIRA · 03-26-2007, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KelJu

you disagree with what? Are you saying she shouldn't try sumo deads? If so, I come.

Well, dont point it my way.

As far as sumo deads go, it was a sumo deadlift that finally fucked my back up for good.

Ive done conventional, romanian, and stiff-legged after a long recovery and they havent aggravated it yet.

Triple Threat · 03-26-2007, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKIRA

As far as sumo deads go, it was a sumo deadlift that finally fucked my back up for good.

Ive done conventional, romanian, and stiff-legged after a long recovery and they havent aggravated it yet.

Any kind of DL can mess up your back if you have bad form or aren't careful.

AKIRA · 03-26-2007, 07:38 PM

Understood.

However, it slipped up on a supposed 'safer' deadlift.

Like I said in another thread, my max in my sig is a conventional. I normally repped over 300lbs on other deadlifts.

That day (ill never forget it), the weight was 205lbs. Form couldve been off, but I doubt it. Of all lifts, thats the one Ive always been careful with time and time again due to fear of ending up like my brother. (2 hernias)

Naturally, I am biased. However, the movement doesnt seem as natural as other lifts. Trying to keep that weight as close to your center of gravity with your arms in between your legs and having the barbell move around your knees just doesnt seem as easy as regular deads.

Doublebase · 03-26-2007, 08:04 PM

I do them on back day.

**P-funk** · 03-26-2007, 11:32 PM

I hate the way sumo deadlifts feel.

anyway, the exercise is hip extension. Put it on leg day.

vortrit · 03-27-2007, 02:34 AM

Leg day.

5abi · 03-27-2007, 02:57 AM

why not sldls on leg day, and regular squats on back day

Uthinkso · 03-27-2007, 03:00 AM

I do them on leg day.

SheLifts · 03-27-2007, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5abi

why not sldls on leg day, and regular squats on back day

that's what i was wondering too.

reg. deadlifts seemed to work my back more. they were the only muscles sore after i did them.

Spud · 03-27-2007, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5abi

why not sldls on leg day, and regular squats on back day

Thats what I do. Though both of them will hit my upper back somewhat.

KelJu · 03-27-2007, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5abi

why not sldls on leg day, and regular squats on back day

Thats what I do, also. Anybody want to chime in on this one, because I am confused.

Ninja Edit: Whoops, I read that wrong.

I meant to say I do SLDL on leg day, and sumo deads on back day.

Why would this not be the best coarse of action?

fufu · 03-27-2007, 11:31 AM

Squats when training upper? What?

SheLifts · 03-27-2007, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KelJu

Thats what I do, also. Anybody want to chime in on this one, because I am confused.

Ninja Edit: Whoops, I read that wrong.

I meant to say I do SLDL on leg day, and sumo deads on back day.

Why would this not be the best coarse of action?

i read that wrong too.

sldl on leg day and reg deads on back day.

goob · 03-27-2007, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Understood.

However, it slipped up on a supposed 'safer' deadlift.

Like I said in another thread, my max in my sig is a conventional. I normally repped over 300lbs on other deadlifts.

That day (ill never forget it), the weight was 205lbs. Form couldve been off, but I doubt it. Of all lifts, thats the one Ive always been careful with time and time again due to fear of ending up like my brother. (2 hernias)

Naturally, I am biased. However, the movement doesnt seem as natural as other lifts. Trying to keep that weight as close to your center of gravity with your arms in between your legs and having the barbell move around your knees just doesnt seem as easy as regular deads.

I'm with Kelju on this. I'm certainly no expert, and hav'ent done much deadlifting, but I must say that I find sumo deadlifts feel safer than conventional stance. Just does not seem as bad strain wise on my back.

Just my personal preference.

PWGriffin · 03-27-2007, 05:42 PM

The lower back muscles are really only stabilizing the trunk and spine...the muscles undergoing an eccentric and concentric contraction are the hip extensors....

Deadlifts are as much for the lower back as barbell rows are for legs...(bent rows incorporate one long isometric romanian deadlift)

fufu · 03-27-2007, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWGriffin

The lower back muscles are really only stabilizing the trunk and spine...the muscles undergoing an eccentric and concentric contraction are the hip extensors....

Deadlifts are as much for the lower back as barbell rows are for legs...(bent rows incorporate one long isometric romanian deadlift)

In a sense, but even if the training is isometric, that doesn't mean it isn't getting trained "hard".

Sure it is stabilizing...but say you are deadlifting 400 lbs...that's 400 lbs your erectors(among others) are stabilizing your spine from staying in an extremely limited range of motion. That's alot of work!

Now I'm on the deadlift should be done during lower side...but I think it can train the back to a pretty high degree.

katt · 03-27-2007, 06:53 PM

leg day here

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fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,730 Photos: 8	I advocate them on lower day because you use alot of the same muscles as a squat. This is how it applies to me - monday - lower wednesday - upper friday - lower saturday - upper If I did deadlifts on wednesday for upper it would be like training the squat muscles three training days in a row. I could see this leading to overtraining depending on how you have all the variables layed out. Just something to keep in mind. Also, I'm not saying deadlifts don't train the entire back, they sure do, I definitely keep that in mind when training upper. fufu's 1337 Journal Your diet will set you free.

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AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,787 Photos: 3	Oh no, not this thread again. Id say to always put them on a lower day. To be specific though... My opinion: Rack Deadlifts -> back day(pull) Most other deads ->l ower day 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

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AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,787 Photos: 3	Understood. However, it slipped up on a supposed 'safer' deadlift. Like I said in another thread, my max in my sig is a conventional. I normally repped over 300lbs on other deadlifts. That day (ill never forget it), the weight was 205lbs. Form couldve been off, but I doubt it. Of all lifts, thats the one Ive always been careful with time and time again due to fear of ending up like my brother. (2 hernias) Naturally, I am biased. However, the movement doesnt seem as natural as other lifts. Trying to keep that weight as close to your center of gravity with your arms in between your legs and having the barbell move around your knees just doesnt seem as easy as regular deads. 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

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KelJu Thats Dr. Keke to you! Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In my imagination. Posts: 10,156 Photos: 2	Back day for sure.

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Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,459 Photos: 1	I always do them on lower day. I havent did them on my upper day well in......ok never.

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Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,459 Photos: 1	I think sumos are much easier on a persons back, but it is much tougher on the hips.

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KelJu Thats Dr. Keke to you! Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In my imagination. Posts: 10,156 Photos: 2	I know that I could pull more standard than I could sumo until I trained sumo for a while. I just think they are safer. My back use to be numb for almost 30 minutes after doing standard deads. Then the next day my back was stiff and inflammated. I was having to eat IBprofin to get the inflammation down. Once I switched to sumo dead I have had no problems at all with deads.

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P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 31,695	I hate the way sumo deadlifts feel. anyway, the exercise is hip extension. Put it on leg day. E-Book: Take Charge! Everything You Need To Know To Write Your Own Training Programs Online Consulting/Program Design Reality Based Fitness Podcast Check me out on Twitter! Subscribe to our free monthly newsletter! "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

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Uthinkso Go on....DO IT!!! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,304 Photos: 3	I do them on leg day. I do my best to focus on the task at hand, and give 100% in what I'm doing at the time. Nothing else matters except the task at hand.

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