Thread: when to start lifting

good question. I will answer this in my blog.

answered for you.

thanks. you answered it very well. he is being coached by a trainer.

I have been around a ton of trainers that dont know jack shit. Frankly it is way to easy to get some of these bullshit certs out there! What P explained is perfect for beginning. If hes doing anything else I would definitly question it. And by all means post it on here.

Nice entry P.

alright. today he said he did sprints, weighted lunges, pushdowns, bicep curls, military press, bench press, situps, leg raises, lat pull down, and the seated row.

why didn't he do dips, chinups, wg pullups, and bentover rows instead of that isolation stuff?

Doesnt sound like to much that P said. I to will be certified in about a month with an NASM certification that I have been studying for the past 2 months or so. It states in there very clearly time and time again, most clients will start in the stabilization stage and in such start in phase 2 (normally). This stage is all about learning proper balance, fixing muscle imbalances, flexibility, etc....

To start a kid that age right off with bench press is a horrible idea to me.

Originally Posted by Double D

Doesnt sound like to much that P said. I to will be certified in about a month with an NASM certification that I have been studying for the past 2 months or so. It states in there very clearly time and time again, most clients will start in the stabilization stage and in such start in phase 2 (normally). This stage is all about learning proper balance, fixing muscle imbalances, flexibility, etc....

To start a kid that age right off with bench press is a horrible idea to me.

I totally disagree. You can learn proper balance, address muscle imbalances, apply self-myofascial release, flexibility in conjunction with learning proper exercise technique. I would have a client learn the compound movements immediately, with higher reps and sets to learn the motor patterns for them.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

I totally disagree. You can learn proper balance, address muscle imbalances, apply self-myofascial release, flexibility in conjunction with learning proper exercise technique. I would have a client learn the compound movements immediately, with higher reps and sets to learn the motor patterns for them.

i agree 100%. NASM is gay with their stabilization phases.

If you don't know how to squat on two legs, why would you want to squat on one leg? That is ass backwards.

Teach the basic compound movements first.

Most kids at the age of 12 would have a hard time bench pressing the bar. I still think its a much better idea to start them off with pushups.

Originally Posted by P-funk

i agree 100%. NASM is gay with their stabilization phases.

If you don't know how to squat on two legs, why would you want to squat on one leg? That is ass backwards.

Teach the basic compound movements first.

Hum.....What about if they struggle with the bar? Do you have them use DB's? Machine?

Originally Posted by Double D

Hum.....What about if they struggle with the bar? Do you have them use DB's? Machine?

I have them do push ups.

if they are benching and they can't do the bar. I have them use a lighter bar.

typically though, we do push ups and build pressing strength with that (if they are unable to do them properly). I also use tempo restrictions on the push ups.

I start them right with pull ups too. If they can't do them, we use a band for assisted pullups (hung to the top of the rack).

DB front squats are taught after they learn how to squat. I use split squats right off the bat too.

Originally Posted by Double D

Most kids at the age of 12 would have a hard time bench pressing the bar. I still think its a much better idea to start them off with pushups.

There is obviously a lot of discretion based on the individual being trained. I agree, if a person isn't able to use the bar, or you can't find a bar that is lighter, work on strengthening the muscles involved in the exercise. Just remember that the nervous system programming is different for every exercise so there won't be a 100 percent transference between doing dumbell or barbell exercises.

Holding back compound movements like the squat or bench press is unnecessary.

Split squats are my favorite!

Alrighty, my main concern is he wasnt properly evaluated and the trainer is a joke. But hey, its me being protective.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

There is obviously a lot of discretion based on the individual being trained. I agree, if a person isn't able to use the bar, or you can't find a bar that is lighter, work on strengthening the muscles involved in the exercise. Just remember that the nervous system programming is different for every exercise so there won't be a 100 percent transference between doing dumbell or barbell exercises.

Holding back compound movements like the squat or bench press is unnecessary.

Well explained, thank you.

Originally Posted by Double D

Split squats are my favorite!

Alrighty, my main concern is he wasnt properly evaluated and the trainer is a joke. But hey, its me being protective.

that is a good concern. but, we have no idea.

Yeah I know, my down side. I think the worst of some situations.

Originally Posted by Double D

Yeah I know, my down side. I think the worst of some situations.

I don't know if it is a down side. You have to read and view things critically.....books, research, articles, etc.....

Be skeptical about lots. In this field, there are a ton of snake oil salesmen. I try to find them and kick them in the nuts.

lol. well thanks for the help guys. BTW im sure he will start doing pull ups and dips soon enuff.