are these good maxes?

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 07:26 PM

bench 205lbs
squat 365lbs
clean 225lbs
deadlift 345lbs
front squat 225lbs

im 5'8 175lbs

Witchblade · 05-03-2007, 07:29 PM

Duncans Donuts · 05-03-2007, 07:42 PM

i have never maxed out, although i'm not a powerlifter. never did it for football, either. seemed like an utter waist of time.

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

i have never maxed out, although i'm not a powerlifter. never did it for football, either. seemed like an utter waist of time.

did it so coach could set up are sets for BFS

Duncans Donuts · 05-03-2007, 07:48 PM

BFS?

in any case those maxes are good. good stats on the rushes/tds, too

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 07:50 PM

bigger faster stronger. thanks busted my ass to get the yards and tds

Duncans Donuts · 05-03-2007, 07:52 PM

i've found that most high school football coaches know less that nothing about exercise. i'd like to know what a routine for bigger, faster, stronger looks like?

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 07:55 PM

im thinking about starting a journal with that as my program for it. start a new cycle on it starting on monday

**P-funk** · 05-03-2007, 10:05 PM

those are good maxes, if they were done legit with good form. Most coaches test their athletes like fucking morons (I see it at the gym when I work out). I am a super strict tester.

The only piece of advice I can give you is run away from your coach and don't let him give you the BFS program. It is a sure fire way to end your career due to poor implementation of the program.

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 10:14 PM

wish i could get away from the BFS but its either that or dont lift. keep good form on squat and dead lift and cleans only thing i have problems with is bench because of my shoulders have started to wear a brace on the right one for more support seems to be helping a little bit.

**P-funk** · 05-03-2007, 10:17 PM

what is wrong with your shoulders?

what is the depth like on the squat?

can you lift somewhere else?

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 10:21 PM

right shoulder got torn out in 8th grade wrestling did not realize it untill football when i could bearly move my arm because of the constant pounding on it. left one just dislocates every now and then. for my squats im normaly at 90deg or below. only way i could lift somewhere else is if i saved up to buy my own weights

**P-funk** · 05-03-2007, 10:24 PM

90 degrees of what? 90 degrees of knee flexion is not very deep. Are the tops of your quads parallel to the floor?

With those shoulder problems i would probably nix the olympic lifts and stick to plyos.

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 10:29 PM

tops of quatds are parallel. had surgery on the right one over a year ago its just getting it back to 100% thats taking forever. if i told my coach that i couldnt do them he would tell me quit bein a pussy and lift hes a dick

**P-funk** · 05-03-2007, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubes

tops of quatds are parallel. had surgery on the right one over a year ago its just getting it back to 100% thats taking forever. if i told my coach that i couldnt do them he would tell me quit bein a pussy and lift hes a dick

a) your coach is a moron.

b) if you follow his lead and risk fucking up your shoulder then you are a moron.

Nothing like destroying your body for high school football!

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 10:31 PM

i know my coach is a moron. ive been thinking of not playing because of my shoulders and just running track or playing baseball

**P-funk** · 05-03-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubes

i know my coach is a moron. ive been thinking of not playing because of my shoulders and just running track or playing baseball

have you ever considered finding someone to train you? like a REAL strength and conditioning coach.

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 10:39 PM

ive thought about it but id need the money for it and i dont have that right now.

**P-funk** · 05-03-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubes

ive thought about it but id need the money for it and i dont have that right now.

I would try and get a job and hit it hard this summer with a good strength coach who can really help you out.

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 10:44 PM

i think thats what im going to do thanks and happy early bday

**P-funk** · 05-03-2007, 10:46 PM

i think in mich. but don't know if he is in your area. i may be able to possibly find someone to refer you to.

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 10:52 PM

im from a town about 30 min north of lansing

**P-funk** · 05-03-2007, 10:54 PM

is that near sterling heights at all?

Rubes · 05-03-2007, 11:04 PM

no its not ill just have to look around and see what i can find maybe

DiGiTaL · 05-04-2007, 12:35 AM

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i've found that most high school football coaches know less that nothing about exercise. i'd like to know what a routine for bigger, faster, stronger looks like?

I can second that. They are assholes, I took a look in their routine just to see Why the football is always hogging benchpress and squat. It said 10x10bench press 5x12sqaut...basically, if a 15 years old registered to this forum with no knowledge of lifting comes and makes a thread about How does his routine sounds like and you basically laugh. Thats what it is.
The kids in football did 70lbs bench press last september, now its may when i workout they are all benching around 90lbs.. for this much time i think thats not as progressive.

Duncans Donuts · 05-04-2007, 01:02 AM

I could take a football team and have them do 45 minutes of resistance training a week and have them improve their strength so fast it would be unbelievable. But football coaches will do the opposite, run them into the ground when they are already tired and stressed from school and doing tons of drills and practice.

**Dale Mabry** · 05-04-2007, 05:30 AM

Most coaches are retarded. Ridiculous volume, near every day frequency, and isolation exercises up the ass. I would lie to him and tell him your Dr wants you to do a different program.

As for your maxes, assuming proper technique, those are very good. Don't know if I would be maxing out, especially with the bench and cleans while having a bad shoulder. You can figure out your loads from your 4rm and lower your risk of injury. Regardless, I would lay off the pressing if it bothers your shoulder. I get people all of the time mention their shoulder/s are bad, and when I avoid pressing they downplay the injury like it is nothing. Stupid.

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Rubes your sisters better Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: michigan Posts: 1,144 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 5	bigger faster stronger. thanks busted my ass to get the yards and tds
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05-03-2007, 07:52 PM	#7
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	i've found that most high school football coaches know less that nothing about exercise. i'd like to know what a routine for bigger, faster, stronger looks like?
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Rubes your sisters better Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: michigan Posts: 1,144 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 5	im thinking about starting a journal with that as my program for it. start a new cycle on it starting on monday
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P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,631	those are good maxes, if they were done legit with good form. Most coaches test their athletes like fucking morons (I see it at the gym when I work out). I am a super strict tester. The only piece of advice I can give you is run away from your coach and don't let him give you the BFS program. It is a sure fire way to end your career due to poor implementation of the program.
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Rubes your sisters better Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: michigan Posts: 1,144 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 5	wish i could get away from the BFS but its either that or dont lift. keep good form on squat and dead lift and cleans only thing i have problems with is bench because of my shoulders have started to wear a brace on the right one for more support seems to be helping a little bit.
	5'7" 173lbsl squat:365x2 11/19/07 bench 225x3 1/11/08 40 time: 4.51sec march 10th 07 38" vertical

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P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,631	what is wrong with your shoulders? what is the depth like on the squat? can you lift somewhere else?
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Rubes your sisters better Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: michigan Posts: 1,144 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 5	right shoulder got torn out in 8th grade wrestling did not realize it untill football when i could bearly move my arm because of the constant pounding on it. left one just dislocates every now and then. for my squats im normaly at 90deg or below. only way i could lift somewhere else is if i saved up to buy my own weights
	5'7" 173lbsl squat:365x2 11/19/07 bench 225x3 1/11/08 40 time: 4.51sec march 10th 07 38" vertical

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P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,631	90 degrees of what? 90 degrees of knee flexion is not very deep. Are the tops of your quads parallel to the floor? With those shoulder problems i would probably nix the olympic lifts and stick to plyos.
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Rubes your sisters better Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: michigan Posts: 1,144 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 5	tops of quatds are parallel. had surgery on the right one over a year ago its just getting it back to 100% thats taking forever. if i told my coach that i couldnt do them he would tell me quit bein a pussy and lift hes a dick
	5'7" 173lbsl squat:365x2 11/19/07 bench 225x3 1/11/08 40 time: 4.51sec march 10th 07 38" vertical

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Rubes your sisters better Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: michigan Posts: 1,144 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 5	i know my coach is a moron. ive been thinking of not playing because of my shoulders and just running track or playing baseball
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Rubes your sisters better Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: michigan Posts: 1,144 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 5	ive thought about it but id need the money for it and i dont have that right now.
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Rubes your sisters better Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: michigan Posts: 1,144 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 5	i think thats what im going to do thanks and happy early bday
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Rubes your sisters better Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: michigan Posts: 1,144 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 5	im from a town about 30 min north of lansing
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Rubes your sisters better Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: michigan Posts: 1,144 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 5	no its not ill just have to look around and see what i can find maybe
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05-04-2007, 01:02 AM	#26
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	I could take a football team and have them do 45 minutes of resistance training a week and have them improve their strength so fast it would be unbelievable. But football coaches will do the opposite, run them into the ground when they are already tired and stressed from school and doing tons of drills and practice.
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