Mike Mentzer

ssenkrad · 05-10-2007, 08:48 AM

I need to know if any one has been on any of Mikes Mentzers programs and what they think about his training principles.

DOMS · 05-10-2007, 09:28 AM

I'm doing HIT (tea bag notwithstanding), and I think it's great. I don't know if it's a "true" Mentzer workout, though.

soxmuscle · 05-10-2007, 11:16 AM

I've read both of Mike Mentzer' Heavy Duty books, tried out his basic HIT routine on a number of occassions, and I absolutely loved everything about it.

The books are complex and well written and they are enjoyable to read, the programs are the most intense things you'll ever come across, but the results made it worth it.

Pretty general question you're asking, but yea, I've done his program, I agree with his principles, and if he were still alive today, I'd love to read more of his stuff.

Hialeahchico · 05-10-2007, 07:51 PM

wuts the name of those books?

Duncans Donuts · 05-10-2007, 08:03 PM

Mentzer had a lot of fallacious points in his writing, but I will always have a spot for him in my heart (not to sound gay), because his writing got me away from what was probably the most ridiculous high volume training method ever developed (developed of ignorance by me, when my collegiate goals were economics) - it was on par with the stupidity of Arnold and his pals.

I worked out every day, 2 hours a day, sometimes 9 days in a row, not including cardiovascular activity.

Which is likely why I grew so much on Mentzer's routine, although I never could subscribe to his almost ludicrous "every 7-15" workout schedule. On his plan, you simply weren't supposed to work out if you were still sore. You also didn't adjust anything except reps and weight.

But he is a master of rhetoric, and his work does contain some good ideas and some interesting points, wrong or right. His addiction to Ayn Rand as a philosopher is foolish (Ayn Rand was basically a bitch with a host of flawed logic), objectivism is pretty silly in my opinion.

**CowPimp** · 05-10-2007, 09:56 PM

I think HIT is worth trying. Although I found it to be incredibly draining, it did produce some good results. I may give it another go at some point.

If nothing else, it's good to give yourself a break from the typical moderate to high volume program and try something with a very high level of effort, and generally higher intensity loads.

Make sure, however, that you have excellent form with any lift you incorporate into an HIT program. This is not something where you should be trying out new lifts and working on form.

Duncans Donuts · 05-10-2007, 10:27 PM

Although one size fits all routines are silly when prescribed to a general population, I would consider Arthur Jones HIT to be the most affective "canned" routine ever designed. I think there is clear evidence of this in a handful of studies. Just my input.

Leatherface · 05-11-2007, 12:08 PM

I have ALWAYS gained strength in every workout when i would try an offshoot of a Mentzer-type routine.

HOWEVER, although my strength always increased, hypertrophy did not follow as readily. I seemed to grow more on more of a volume approach.

Witchblade · 05-11-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

Although one size fits all routines are silly when prescribed to a general population, I would consider Arthur Jones HIT to be the most affective "canned" routine ever designed. I think there is clear evidence of this in a handful of studies. Just my input.

Got a direct link to the program? I'm looking for a good HIT routine to follow after my cutting cycle.

JonnyStead · 05-13-2007, 04:58 AM

I have the DVD of heavy duty and still use some HIT principles - but I agree thats it a very draining way of training. It really hurts mentally and you need to have massive reserves to keep your enthusiasm up. Having said that in small bursts I think its a cool way of mixing things up.

05-10-2007, 08:48 AM	#1
ssenkrad Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6	Mike Mentzer I need to know if any one has been on any of Mikes Mentzers programs and what they think about his training principles.

05-10-2007, 11:16 AM	#3
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 10,045 Photos: 10	I've read both of Mike Mentzer' Heavy Duty books, tried out his basic HIT routine on a number of occassions, and I absolutely loved everything about it. The books are complex and well written and they are enjoyable to read, the programs are the most intense things you'll ever come across, but the results made it worth it. Pretty general question you're asking, but yea, I've done his program, I agree with his principles, and if he were still alive today, I'd love to read more of his stuff. Age: 20 \| Height: 5'7" \| Weight: 150 lbs \| Penis: 12 inches

05-10-2007, 08:03 PM	#5
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,776 Photos: 2	Mentzer had a lot of fallacious points in his writing, but I will always have a spot for him in my heart (not to sound gay), because his writing got me away from what was probably the most ridiculous high volume training method ever developed (developed of ignorance by me, when my collegiate goals were economics) - it was on par with the stupidity of Arnold and his pals. I worked out every day, 2 hours a day, sometimes 9 days in a row, not including cardiovascular activity. Which is likely why I grew so much on Mentzer's routine, although I never could subscribe to his almost ludicrous "every 7-15" workout schedule. On his plan, you simply weren't supposed to work out if you were still sore. You also didn't adjust anything except reps and weight. But he is a master of rhetoric, and his work does contain some good ideas and some interesting points, wrong or right. His addiction to Ayn Rand as a philosopher is foolish (Ayn Rand was basically a bitch with a host of flawed logic), objectivism is pretty silly in my opinion. "in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

05-10-2007, 09:56 PM	#6
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,619	I think HIT is worth trying. Although I found it to be incredibly draining, it did produce some good results. I may give it another go at some point. If nothing else, it's good to give yourself a break from the typical moderate to high volume program and try something with a very high level of effort, and generally higher intensity loads. Make sure, however, that you have excellent form with any lift you incorporate into an HIT program. This is not something where you should be trying out new lifts and working on form. The only time it's bad to feel the burn is when you're peeing... Belligerent Bovine badass YouTube Videos

05-10-2007, 10:27 PM	#7
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,776 Photos: 2	Although one size fits all routines are silly when prescribed to a general population, I would consider Arthur Jones HIT to be the most affective "canned" routine ever designed. I think there is clear evidence of this in a handful of studies. Just my input. "in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

05-10-2007, 09:28 AM	#2
DOMS Metrosexual Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 22,092 Photos: 1	I'm doing HIT (tea bag notwithstanding), and I think it's great. I don't know if it's a "true" Mentzer workout, though.

05-10-2007, 07:51 PM	#4
Hialeahchico Ur1nOnly Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: miami, FL Posts: 170 Photos: 4	wuts the name of those books?

05-11-2007, 12:08 PM	#8
Leatherface Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 109	I have ALWAYS gained strength in every workout when i would try an offshoot of a Mentzer-type routine. HOWEVER, although my strength always increased, hypertrophy did not follow as readily. I seemed to grow more on more of a volume approach. "Look what your brother did to the door!"

05-13-2007, 04:58 AM	#10
JonnyStead Good old English grit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England Posts: 387 Photos: 4	I have the DVD of heavy duty and still use some HIT principles - but I agree thats it a very draining way of training. It really hurts mentally and you need to have massive reserves to keep your enthusiasm up. Having said that in small bursts I think its a cool way of mixing things up. I'm 34 - when am I officially an old fart?

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