horizontal-vertical/push-pull

Scarface30 · 05-13-2007, 04:38 PM

this is a newbie question but when dertermining the direction of the movement for the exercises, is it all relative to the position you are in during the exercise, or is it relative to the direction of motion you would do when standing straight up? the reason I ask is because I was looking at the stickies and I noticed in CowPimps designing a full body routine it says that the bench press is a horizontal push, you are pushing but its vertical

**P-funk** · 05-13-2007, 04:44 PM

it is realative to the movement around the joint.

In the bench press, the shoulder joint is moving in a horizontal plane. In an overhead press, the shoulder joint is moving in a vertical plane.

Witchblade · 05-13-2007, 04:58 PM

Think of it as if you're standing upright and doing the exercises in a no-gravity room.

Scarface30 · 05-13-2007, 05:01 PM

cool thanks. as of right now I am doing just a regular push/pull/legs but is there anymore benefit from separating it further into vertical and horizontal?

vortrit · 05-13-2007, 07:32 PM

For example on back exerciese a vertical movment would increase back width where a horizontal movement will increase back thickness, for example.

I think I got that one right...

**Gazhole** · 05-14-2007, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarface30

cool thanks. as of right now I am doing just a regular push/pull/legs but is there anymore benefit from separating it further into vertical and horizontal?

Its just another element of balance. Having all horizontal pressing and no vertical pressing isnt very functional, is it? If you separate them you can give both planes of motion equal attention.

Scarface30 · 05-14-2007, 10:51 AM

alright, thanks for clearing that up. it also seems that you can concentrate more on one part sort of, because with my push/pull/legs on my pull day my biceps were dead before the end, which didn't allow me to lift as heavy as I normally do for some exercises, because I'd have to hit both back thickness and width on the same day. here, its like one day you can concentrate on vertical pulling and hit the lats and midback, and on a different day horizontal pulling and hit back thickness and not worry about doing it all in one day. and of course you'd also have vert. push and hor. push in there too.

Phineas · 10-22-2009, 07:25 PM

Let's say reverse dumbbell flies...horizontal push or vertical push?

**Built** · 10-23-2009, 12:26 AM

That would be a horizontal pull. More of a physio-type of movement, no?

**Gazhole** · 10-24-2009, 08:24 AM

Horizontal pull, definitely.

Phineas · 10-25-2009, 06:03 PM

Today was my second day back after deloading and I'm now training with the upper vertical/horizontal push/pull program structure (I started splitting "legs" into push/pull days about a month ago). I have to say, I absolutely love it! With all these compound movements I'm doing, I've never felt such intensity in a workout. I'm so happy to finally be out the body part splits. I found they worked well, but I always HATED training arms like that. I find arm isolation exercises to be boring. Curls are nothing against a chin-up.

But, I'm not gonna lie...it's still fun to watch the 15-year-olds in their jeans run straight to the dumbbell racks and curl as many dumbbells as possible, lol.

I'm so sick of hearing those guys discuss the "21" program..whatever it's called. My apologies to anyone who's used it or uses it...for all I know it could work. It just frustrates me because you know they're doing it only because it's a gimmic...and, then they don't have to take the time to read and actually understand how the body works and then create their own programs. They just love internet pre-made programs.

Wow, rant...my bad.

05-13-2007, 04:38 PM	#1
Scarface30 C'Nucked Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 2,104 Photos: 6	horizontal-vertical/push-pull this is a newbie question but when dertermining the direction of the movement for the exercises, is it all relative to the position you are in during the exercise, or is it relative to the direction of motion you would do when standing straight up? the reason I ask is because I was looking at the stickies and I noticed in CowPimps designing a full body routine it says that the bench press is a horizontal push, you are pushing but its vertical

05-13-2007, 04:44 PM	#2
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 31,699	it is realative to the movement around the joint. In the bench press, the shoulder joint is moving in a horizontal plane. In an overhead press, the shoulder joint is moving in a vertical plane. E-Book: Take Charge! Everything You Need To Know To Write Your Own Training Programs Online Consulting/Program Design Reality Based Fitness Podcast Check me out on Twitter! Subscribe to our free monthly newsletter! "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

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Witchblade Succinct Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Holland Posts: 4,474 Photos: 2	Think of it as if you're standing upright and doing the exercises in a no-gravity room. My Linkdump [LSFW] IM Official FAQ [WORK IN PROGRESS]

05-13-2007, 07:32 PM	#5
vortrit Bulk. Cut. Repeat. Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 2,647 Photos: 5	For example on back exerciese a vertical movment would increase back width where a horizontal movement will increase back thickness, for example. I think I got that one right... My Journal!

10-22-2009, 07:25 PM	#8
Phineas Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 121	Let's say reverse dumbbell flies...horizontal push or vertical push? Training the mind is equally, if not more, important than training the body. If you can learn to transcend natural limitations, and force your mind into your muscle, your strength will know no bounds.

05-13-2007, 05:01 PM	#4
Scarface30 C'Nucked Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 2,104 Photos: 6	cool thanks. as of right now I am doing just a regular push/pull/legs but is there anymore benefit from separating it further into vertical and horizontal?

05-14-2007, 10:51 AM	#7
Scarface30 C'Nucked Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 2,104 Photos: 6	alright, thanks for clearing that up. it also seems that you can concentrate more on one part sort of, because with my push/pull/legs on my pull day my biceps were dead before the end, which didn't allow me to lift as heavy as I normally do for some exercises, because I'd have to hit both back thickness and width on the same day. here, its like one day you can concentrate on vertical pulling and hit the lats and midback, and on a different day horizontal pulling and hit back thickness and not worry about doing it all in one day. and of course you'd also have vert. push and hor. push in there too.

10-23-2009, 12:26 AM	#9
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,113	That would be a horizontal pull. More of a physio-type of movement, no? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

10-24-2009, 08:24 AM	#10
Gazhole iwillmakeyousmelltheglove Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 7,999 Photos: 19	Horizontal pull, definitely. http://sdatrainingprograms.blogspot.com - Updated 13/11/09 ***READ THIS FOR TRAINING INFO:*** http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/99879-articles-ironmagazineforums-members.html If you want to win the fight, say "I BELIEVE".

10-25-2009, 06:03 PM	#11
Phineas Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 121	Today was my second day back after deloading and I'm now training with the upper vertical/horizontal push/pull program structure (I started splitting "legs" into push/pull days about a month ago). I have to say, I absolutely love it! With all these compound movements I'm doing, I've never felt such intensity in a workout. I'm so happy to finally be out the body part splits. I found they worked well, but I always HATED training arms like that. I find arm isolation exercises to be boring. Curls are nothing against a chin-up. But, I'm not gonna lie...it's still fun to watch the 15-year-olds in their jeans run straight to the dumbbell racks and curl as many dumbbells as possible, lol. I'm so sick of hearing those guys discuss the "21" program..whatever it's called. My apologies to anyone who's used it or uses it...for all I know it could work. It just frustrates me because you know they're doing it only because it's a gimmic...and, then they don't have to take the time to read and actually understand how the body works and then create their own programs. They just love internet pre-made programs. Wow, rant...my bad. Training the mind is equally, if not more, important than training the body. If you can learn to transcend natural limitations, and force your mind into your muscle, your strength will know no bounds.

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