horizontal-vertical/push-pull

Scarface30 · 05-13-2007, 04:38 PM

this is a newbie question but when dertermining the direction of the movement for the exercises, is it all relative to the position you are in during the exercise, or is it relative to the direction of motion you would do when standing straight up? the reason I ask is because I was looking at the stickies and I noticed in CowPimps designing a full body routine it says that the bench press is a horizontal push, you are pushing but its vertical

**P-funk** · 05-13-2007, 04:44 PM

it is realative to the movement around the joint.

In the bench press, the shoulder joint is moving in a horizontal plane. In an overhead press, the shoulder joint is moving in a vertical plane.

Witchblade · 05-13-2007, 04:58 PM

Think of it as if you're standing upright and doing the exercises in a no-gravity room.

Scarface30 · 05-13-2007, 05:01 PM

cool thanks. as of right now I am doing just a regular push/pull/legs but is there anymore benefit from separating it further into vertical and horizontal?

vortrit · 05-13-2007, 07:32 PM

For example on back exerciese a vertical movment would increase back width where a horizontal movement will increase back thickness, for example.

I think I got that one right...

**Gazhole** · 05-14-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarface30

cool thanks. as of right now I am doing just a regular push/pull/legs but is there anymore benefit from separating it further into vertical and horizontal?

Its just another element of balance. Having all horizontal pressing and no vertical pressing isnt very functional, is it? If you separate them you can give both planes of motion equal attention.

Scarface30 · 05-14-2007, 10:51 AM

alright, thanks for clearing that up. it also seems that you can concentrate more on one part sort of, because with my push/pull/legs on my pull day my biceps were dead before the end, which didn't allow me to lift as heavy as I normally do for some exercises, because I'd have to hit both back thickness and width on the same day. here, its like one day you can concentrate on vertical pulling and hit the lats and midback, and on a different day horizontal pulling and hit back thickness and not worry about doing it all in one day. and of course you'd also have vert. push and hor. push in there too.

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Scarface30 C'Nucked Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 1,779 Photos: 2	horizontal-vertical/push-pull this is a newbie question but when dertermining the direction of the movement for the exercises, is it all relative to the position you are in during the exercise, or is it relative to the direction of motion you would do when standing straight up? the reason I ask is because I was looking at the stickies and I noticed in CowPimps designing a full body routine it says that the bench press is a horizontal push, you are pushing but its vertical

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05-13-2007, 05:01 PM	#4
Scarface30 C'Nucked Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 1,779 Photos: 2	cool thanks. as of right now I am doing just a regular push/pull/legs but is there anymore benefit from separating it further into vertical and horizontal?

05-14-2007, 10:51 AM	#7
Scarface30 C'Nucked Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 1,779 Photos: 2	alright, thanks for clearing that up. it also seems that you can concentrate more on one part sort of, because with my push/pull/legs on my pull day my biceps were dead before the end, which didn't allow me to lift as heavy as I normally do for some exercises, because I'd have to hit both back thickness and width on the same day. here, its like one day you can concentrate on vertical pulling and hit the lats and midback, and on a different day horizontal pulling and hit back thickness and not worry about doing it all in one day. and of course you'd also have vert. push and hor. push in there too.