over training?

danny81 · 05-17-2007, 05:27 PM

my schedule is as follows
monday: full body workout, run, abs
tuesday: boxing, abs
wednesday: full body workout, run, abs
thursday: boxing, abs
friday: full body workout, run
sat: boxing, abs
Sun: run

on the days i dont box i still try and do a little shadow boxing or pad work

would it be overtraining if i did burpees and jumprope on tues, thurs, sat? or is it ok? it is for boxing so the more conditioning the better right?

NordicNacho · 05-17-2007, 05:38 PM

they need to make you a mod

Hialeahchico · 05-17-2007, 05:39 PM

overtraining is for the people that cant adapt to their excerisie routine. I have a friend who lifts almost every day and does wrestling 4 days a week for 5 hours per day. So as long as you adapt to it and you see gains I see nothing wrong with it IMO.

danny81 · 05-17-2007, 06:19 PM

alright anf to nordic nacho. im a noob you werent always a BBing expert.f

fUnc17 · 05-17-2007, 06:22 PM

Depends on your current level of conditioning. try to progress it slowly into your routine. So add one day of burpees/jump rope/conditioning stuff, see how your body reacts and if after a few weeks you feel you can handle another day, add another one, and so on until you get to 3 days. Just make sure your eating enough cals/drinking enough water and getting enough vitamins because all that work is going to leave you depleted

Phred · 05-17-2007, 06:42 PM

Not just any mod, a UBER MOD!!!!! That way he can ask the question, answer the question and then comment on the answer to the question with graphs and charts.

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Originally Posted by NordicNacho

they need to make you a mod

NordicNacho · 05-17-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by danny81

alright anf to nordic nacho. im a noob you werent always a BBing expert.f

i've learned alot from ironmag and t mag but I asked very few questions. I know Im overtraining when my mood goes down in the dumps. But thats me

**CowPimp** · 05-17-2007, 06:56 PM

I think most people would start to get burnt out on a program like that. Even elite athletes need to give themselves a day off now and again. I have a feeling you also have other things to worry about like work and/or school, family situations, etc. These stressors impact how much training you can handle. Remember, professional athletes are required to push themselves to the limit like that. It doesn't make it healthy.

danny81 · 05-17-2007, 07:17 PM

yah. the only thing i hav to worry about is school, freinds, and work. i already got my grades up to bs and cs.

Witchblade · 05-17-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Phred

Not just any mod, a UBER MOD!!!!! That way he can ask the question, answer the question and then comment on the answer to the question with graphs and charts.

Dude

danzik17 · 05-17-2007, 09:55 PM

And why not work the grades to A's exactly? Not all that hard to do and it's worth it in the end - only takes a couple more hours per week if that.

danny81 · 05-18-2007, 01:48 PM

well last marking period i got a few as a few bs and 2 cs and those were in my least fav classes spanish and chem. i cant get all as its imposs.

KelJu · 05-18-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hialeahchico

overtraining is for the people that cant adapt to their excerisie routine. I have a friend who lifts almost every day and does wrestling 4 days a week for 5 hours per day. So as long as you adapt to it and you see gains I see nothing wrong with it IMO.

What does he workout, a body part everyday. I'm pulling the bullshit card on this one.

Hialeahchico · 05-18-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KelJu
What does he workout, a body part everyday. I'm pulling the bullshit card on this one

yea he does and Its not bullshit......whats bullshit for you its not for others like for say if I post my chest routine your gonna think im overtraing, you probably think im crazy for doing ithat many sets but it works for me so I stick to it, sure when I stop seein improvements ill try to change it up. I gotten used to that routine which you would think its overtraining but its not for me. overtraining IMO is for people that dont know their limits, and for some its just a damm excuse to cut their workout short, im not sayin I know everything or that my friends routine is the best routine but my opinion on overtraining stands. I hate the damm word period lol.

mrmark · 05-19-2007, 04:06 AM

From personal, and others', experience, it would seem that kind of schedule could only be maintained is most or alternate sessions were only at half intensity.

ReproMan · 05-19-2007, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hialeahchico

yea he does and Its not bullshit......whats bullshit for you its not for others like for say if I post my chest routine your gonna think im overtraing, you probably think im crazy for doing ithat many sets but it works for me so I stick to it, sure when I stop seein improvements ill try to change it up. I gotten used to that routine which you would think its overtraining but its not for me. overtraining IMO is for people that dont know their limits, and for some its just a damm excuse to cut their workout short, im not sayin I know everything or that my friends routine is the best routine but my opinion on overtraining stands. I hate the damm word period lol.

So basically you're saying overtraining is an excuse to not train as hard?

Right.

danny81 · 05-19-2007, 09:40 AM

my freind lifts everyday but he does light everyother day. what about that?

BTW i realy messed up i used to lift every muscle evryday and i did only iso work like 5 isos for each body part. it was ridicoulous and wasted sooooooooooo much time. thank god i stopped that

**CowPimp** · 05-19-2007, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hialeahchico

yea he does and Its not bullshit......whats bullshit for you its not for others like for say if I post my chest routine your gonna think im overtraing, you probably think im crazy for doing ithat many sets but it works for me so I stick to it, sure when I stop seein improvements ill try to change it up. I gotten used to that routine which you would think its overtraining but its not for me. overtraining IMO is for people that dont know their limits, and for some its just a damm excuse to cut their workout short, im not sayin I know everything or that my friends routine is the best routine but my opinion on overtraining stands. I hate the damm word period lol.

That type of volume and frequency would definitely lead to overtraining in your average individual, and in very short order. Whether or not it works for you is really not important. You're on a forum recommending it to some random person who's recovery abilities and outside stressors you know nothing about. Therefore, it is not safe, no smart, to assume that they will be able to recover like you.

Hialeahchico · 05-19-2007, 11:29 AM

you make sense cowpimp, thats why I said as long as he adapts to it. My opinion on overtraining stands.

BoneCrusher · 05-19-2007, 01:12 PM

danny you need recovery time same as all of us. Like our bovine pimpster said, only you can determine how much of what you need and when is too much or not enough. More recovery time does seem to show better results for me ... and I cannot do 7 days a week without getting burned out. I like a 5 day week, but that's just me. You've got teen dude hormones raging so you can get away with more and show results ... but that doesn't mean you should.

Nutrition and rest are as important as anything to maximizing your growth potential. Here's an age appropriate answer from teenbodybuilding that fits your question.

BoneCrusher · 05-19-2007, 01:29 PM

I lifted this and pasted it from bodybuilding.com. It's a basic 9 week beginner's program that will get you started. It has what you need here danny ... even a printable log. You still need to tweak in your diet and recovery times ... but you'll work that out with time.

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By: Elite Fitness Systems

Week 1

Day 1
(Max Effort Squat Day)

Good Mornings
Warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max.

Click on the image to view the exercise.

Glute Ham Raises (3 sets/10 reps)
Stress the eccentric, try to get a four count on they way down.
Reverse Hyperextensions (3 sets/8 reps)
Using the small strap.
Pull Down Abs (5 sets/10-15 reps)

Straight Leg Raises (5 sets/15 reps)

Click here for printable workout.

Day 2
(Max Effort Bench Day)

Board Press
Warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max. Lying Barbell Tricep Extensions (6 sets/10 reps)

Push Downs (3 sets/10 reps)
Using the small strap
One Arm Press (3 sets/15 reps)

Click on the image to view the exercise. Click here for printable workout.

Day 3
(Dynamic Effort Squat Day)

Box Squats (10 sets/2 reps)
This with 50% of 1RM. (45 to 60 sec rest between sets) Reverse Hyperextensions (3 sets/8 reps)
Using the small strap.
One Leg Squats (4 sets/10 reps)
With each leg.

Click on the image to view the exercise.

Dumbbell Rows (4 sets/6 reps)

Barbell Shrugs (3 sets/15 reps)

Click here for printable workout.

Day 4
(Dynamic Effort Bench Day)

Bench Press (10 sets/3 reps)
This with 60% of 1RM. Use three different grips. (45 to 60 sec rest between sets) Lying Dumbbell Tricep Extensions (4 sets/8 reps)
Using the small strap.
Dumbbell Side Raises (3 sets/10 reps)

Click on the image to view the exercise.

Bent Over Dumbbell Side Raises (3 sets/10 reps)

Click here for printable workout.

Week 2

Day 1
(Max Effort Squat Day)

Good Mornings
Warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max. Glute Ham Raises (3 sets/8 reps)
Stress the eccentric, try to get a four count on they way down.
Reverse Hyperextensions (3 sets/8 reps)
Using the small strap.
Pull Down Abs (5 sets/10-15 reps)

Straight Leg Raises (3 sets/20 reps)

Click here for printable workout.

Day 2
(Max Effort Bench Day)

Board Press
Warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max. Lying Barbell Tricep Extensions (6 sets/10 reps)

Click on the image to view the exercise.

Push Downs (3 sets/10 reps)
Using the small strap
One Arm Press (3 sets/15 reps)

Click here for printable workout.

Day 3
(Dynamic Effort Squat Day)

Box Squats (10 sets/2 reps)
This with 54% of 1RM. (45 to 60 sec rest between sets) Reverse Hyperextensions (3 sets/8 reps)
Using the small strap.
One Leg Squats (4 sets/10 reps)
With each leg.
Dumbbell Rows (4 sets/6 reps)

Click on the image to view the exercise.

Barbell Shrugs (3 sets/15 reps)

Click here for printable workout.

Day 4
(Dynamic Effort Bench Day)

Bench Press (10 sets/3 reps)
This with 60% of 1RM. Use three different grips. (45 to 60 sec rest between sets) Lying Dumbbell Tricep Extensions (4 sets/8 reps)

Dumbbell Side Raises (3 sets/10 reps)

Bent Over Dumbbell Side Raises (3 sets/10 reps)

Click here for printable workout.

Week 3

Day 1
(Max Effort Squat Day)

Good Mornings
Warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max. Glute Ham Raises (3 sets/3 reps)
Stress the eccentric, try to get a four count on they way down.
Reverse Hyperextensions (3 sets/8 reps)
Using the small strap.
Pull Down Abs (5 sets/10-15 reps)

Straight Leg Raises (3 sets/20 reps)

Click here for printable workout.

Day 2
(Max Effort Bench Day)

Board Press
Warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max. Lying Barbell Tricep Extensionss (6 sets/10 reps)

Push Downs (3 sets/10 reps)
Using the small strap
One Arm Press (3 sets/15 reps)

Click here for printable workout.

Day 3
(Dynamic Effort Squat Day)

Box Squats (10 sets/2 reps)
This with 56% of 1RM. (45 to 60 sec rest between sets) Reverse Hyperextensions (3 sets/8 reps)
Using the small strap.
One Leg Squats (4 sets/10 reps)
With each leg.
Dumbbell Rows (4 sets/6 reps)

Barbell Shrugs (3 sets/15 reps)

Click on the image to view the exercise. Click here for printable workout.

Day 4
(Dynamic Effort Bench Day)

Bench Press (10 sets/3 reps)
This with 60% of 1RM. Use three different grips. (45 to 60 sec rest between sets) Lying Dumbbell Tricep Extensions (4 sets/8 reps)
Using the small strap.
Dumbbell Side Raises (3 sets/10 reps)

Bent Over Dumbbell Side Raises (3 sets/10 reps)

Click here for printable workout.

Week 4

Day 1
(Max Effort Squat Day)

Low Box Squat
Warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max. Glute Ham Raises (3 sets/3 reps)
Stress the eccentric, try to get a four count on they way down.
Reverse Hyperextensions (3 sets/8 reps)
Using the small strap.
Pull Down Abs (5 sets/10-15 reps)

Click on the image to view the exercise.

Partial Deadlifts (3 sets/20 reps)

Click here for printable workout.

Day 2
(Max Effort Bench Day)

Floor Press
Warm up doing sets of three reps until you feel that you can no longer perform three reps. At this point drop the reps to one and continuing working up to a one rep max. JM Press (Up to: 2 sets/3 reps)

Incline Dumbbell Press (2 sets/10 reps)
Using the small strap
Seated Dumbbell Cleans (4 sets/8 reps)

Straight Leg Raises (5 sets/15 reps)

Click

05-17-2007, 05:27 PM	#1
danny81 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,764	over training? BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com my schedule is as follows monday: full body workout, run, abs tuesday: boxing, abs wednesday: full body workout, run, abs thursday: boxing, abs friday: full body workout, run sat: boxing, abs Sun: run on the days i dont box i still try and do a little shadow boxing or pad work would it be overtraining if i did burpees and jumprope on tues, thurs, sat? or is it ok? it is for boxing so the more conditioning the better right?
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05-17-2007, 05:38 PM	#2
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danny81 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,764	alright anf to nordic nacho. im a noob you werent always a BBing expert.f
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05-17-2007, 06:22 PM	#5
fUnc17 Drop and give me 100 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jersey Shore BJJ Posts: 1,862 Photos: 12	Depends on your current level of conditioning. try to progress it slowly into your routine. So add one day of burpees/jump rope/conditioning stuff, see how your body reacts and if after a few weeks you feel you can handle another day, add another one, and so on until you get to 3 days. Just make sure your eating enough cals/drinking enough water and getting enough vitamins because all that work is going to leave you depleted
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CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,400	I think most people would start to get burnt out on a program like that. Even elite athletes need to give themselves a day off now and again. I have a feeling you also have other things to worry about like work and/or school, family situations, etc. These stressors impact how much training you can handle. Remember, professional athletes are required to push themselves to the limit like that. It doesn't make it healthy.
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05-17-2007, 05:39 PM	#3
Hialeahchico Ur1nOnly Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: miami, FL Posts: 170 Photos: 4	overtraining is for the people that cant adapt to their excerisie routine. I have a friend who lifts almost every day and does wrestling 4 days a week for 5 hours per day. So as long as you adapt to it and you see gains I see nothing wrong with it IMO.

05-17-2007, 07:17 PM	#9
danny81 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,764	yah. the only thing i hav to worry about is school, freinds, and work. i already got my grades up to bs and cs.
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05-17-2007, 09:55 PM	#11
danzik17 Gender: MALE Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,700 Blog Entries: 5	And why not work the grades to A's exactly? Not all that hard to do and it's worth it in the end - only takes a couple more hours per week if that.

05-18-2007, 01:48 PM	#12
danny81 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,764	well last marking period i got a few as a few bs and 2 cs and those were in my least fav classes spanish and chem. i cant get all as its imposs.
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05-19-2007, 04:06 AM	#15
mrmark Londoner Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 999 Photos: 1	From personal, and others', experience, it would seem that kind of schedule could only be maintained is most or alternate sessions were only at half intensity.
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05-19-2007, 09:40 AM	#17
danny81 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,764	my freind lifts everyday but he does light everyother day. what about that? BTW i realy messed up i used to lift every muscle evryday and i did only iso work like 5 isos for each body part. it was ridicoulous and wasted sooooooooooo much time. thank god i stopped that
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05-19-2007, 11:29 AM	#19
Hialeahchico Ur1nOnly Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: miami, FL Posts: 170 Photos: 4	you make sense cowpimp, thats why I said as long as he adapts to it. My opinion on overtraining stands.

05-19-2007, 01:12 PM	#20
BoneCrusher Lift or Die Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 8,311	danny you need recovery time same as all of us. Like our bovine pimpster said, only you can determine how much of what you need and when is too much or not enough. More recovery time does seem to show better results for me ... and I cannot do 7 days a week without getting burned out. I like a 5 day week, but that's just me. You've got teen dude hormones raging so you can get away with more and show results ... but that doesn't mean you should. Nutrition and rest are as important as anything to maximizing your growth potential. Here's an age appropriate answer from teenbodybuilding that fits your question.