Frack! Muscle stimulus debate...

AKIRA · 06-05-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Gazhole

That guy?

Yeah...what the fuck, where is he!

ill get into this debate when I have time....

**Gazhole** · 06-05-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Yeah...what the fuck, where is he!

ill get into this debate when I have time....

That guy is ": laugh :" but delete the spaces

AKIRA · 06-05-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Heres my thoughts on this:

Whenever I was younger I grew up working out with splits. But in the past 2 years I have went to more total body or upper/lower splits. I feel more agile, complete, and overall in better shape. However I to feel like I lack size compared to how I looked before. Do I care? no. But I am an athlete and not a bodybuilder anymore.

Now do I got experience? Would you call 12 years experience? If so then yes, if not then no. The thing is whenever I was doing bodypart splits I was getting good size, but very little strength! And strength is what I want now. Not to mention whenever I was doing bodypart splits I was eating tons and tons of food!

Ya know? Son of a bitch, that is about what my life was like.

My max on bench was 335lbs for YEARS, yet, I looked large enough for people to think I was juicing. For about 10 years, I was working body part splits as found in Muscle & Fitness magazines and I did gain some strength, not as much as I thought I would...

When I first started, I think 150-160 was my max bench press, so thats not a bad increase in 10 years, naturally. Thats also with a shitty diet. however< i gotta say, if I trained exclusively for max strength back then more often, I wouldve gotten a better bench. Shit, my reps were 6-10 in my compounds, but I had so many exercises in one day. It worked though. For size...

Now that I am older, I got my max up 25lbs in 2 years. Sounds shitty, but that 2 years was filled with cutting, dynamics, mass training, etc. If I had wanted a bigger bench, Id stick to a powerlifting program, but fuck it.

My squats and deads went up....about 50lbs each until my injury. Those were aquired from movement based workouts, no max strength ones. MMmmm maybe the deads...

Damn, I dont remember.

Stewart20 · 06-05-2007, 11:11 AM

well, for me, it was pretty cut and dry. I can kind of remember around the time that I made somewhat of a transformation in terms of size and numbers. It was about 4 years ago when I started a Max-OT routine.

I was stuck at a high weight of 190, but usually around 180 and there was one time I benched 275 for a few reps with an ex-marine spotting me, probably why I did it, he wouldnt let me NOT do it, hehe.

anyway, I remember after starting the max-ot type stuff was when my bodyweight finally got over 200, and I was consistently benching 275+ for reps. I also added squats and deads into my routine for the first time on a regular basis. My squats and deads still suck, but then again, I was doing upper body work for 10+ years and lower body work for 4 years, so it's a bit of catch up there

So to summarize, it was only when I started working consistently in the 4-6 rep range with heavier weight, AND added squats and deads to my routines that my body weight and overall strength shot up, and this was after over 6 years of pretty much daily training with mostly made up routines that mimiced bodybuilder type splits, like back and bis, chest/tris, etc.

I still like to work in the 4-6 rep range generally, although, now that I am more experienced with everything, I allow myself to venture into other rep ranges and schemes just for variety or to work on a certain goal, but I have to say that for ME, the low rep training was my ticket to gaining size as well as strength, and I would say on a more permanent basis too, as since I got the size and strength, I haven't lost it in over 4 years now, it is only going up and that is pretty much dictated by what I eat, so I would definitely say it is good, functional muscle gain.

AKIRA · 06-07-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewart20

well, for me, it was pretty cut and dry. I can kind of remember around the time that I made somewhat of a transformation in terms of size and numbers. It was about 4 years ago when I started a Max-OT routine.

I was stuck at a high weight of 190, but usually around 180 and there was one time I benched 275 for a few reps with an ex-marine spotting me, probably why I did it, he wouldnt let me NOT do it, hehe.

anyway, I remember after starting the max-ot type stuff was when my bodyweight finally got over 200, and I was consistently benching 275+ for reps. I also added squats and deads into my routine for the first time on a regular basis. My squats and deads still suck, but then again, I was doing upper body work for 10+ years and lower body work for 4 years, so it's a bit of catch up there

So to summarize, it was only when I started working consistently in the 4-6 rep range with heavier weight, AND added squats and deads to my routines that my body weight and overall strength shot up, and this was after over 6 years of pretty much daily training with mostly made up routines that mimiced bodybuilder type splits, like back and bis, chest/tris, etc.

I still like to work in the 4-6 rep range generally, although, now that I am more experienced with everything, I allow myself to venture into other rep ranges and schemes just for variety or to work on a certain goal, but I have to say that for ME, the low rep training was my ticket to gaining size as well as strength, and I would say on a more permanent basis too, as since I got the size and strength, I haven't lost it in over 4 years now, it is only going up and that is pretty much dictated by what I eat, so I would definitely say it is good, functional muscle gain.

So do you still do bodypart split training along with changing rep varaibles (etc)?

Stewart20 · 06-07-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

So do you still do bodypart split training along with changing rep varaibles (etc)?

I do all sorts of stuff now. I have done Westside type stuff for a while, high volume stuff, HIT type stuff, full body stuff, you name it, I have done it.

I try not to do a traditional split bodypart routine though, I always try to at least pair opposing movements in the same workout, but that being said, I might try something now with a bodypart split, and different rep ranges for each exercise of the day.

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