mike456

tough! It doesn't even give my back a workout because I give up way before my back fatigues lol, my whole body just starts shaking and I feel every muscle in my body working, the next day my whole body is sore (including abs, and ass) except my back from doing them lol, I am going to continue doing them, and the rest of my body will catch up so that it doesn't fatigue before my back... Give these a try if you haven't, very functional exercise.

LexusGS

start out real light. with just the bar . get the movement down and gradually increase the weight.

mike456

yea I already got the movement down, I am only using 95lbs, it isn't my back thats giving up its the rest of my body, and thats a good thing to me... I will do other exercises for my back, like db one-arm bench rows.

Witchblade

I don't find them to be hard at all, especially not for the stabilizers.

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mike456

I am out of shape lol... are you keeping your back parallel to the ground?

kinkery

their not hard. i do them like this guy does them- Barbell Bent-over Row

KelJu

Hell no! If my back were parallel to the ground I would eventually rupture a disc. No, my back is at a 15 to 30 degree incline when I do bentover rows.

kinkery

same here . my torso is slanted upwards kinda like inclined

mike456

hmmmm... I have been doing them with my back parallel to the floor, maybe thats why they seem so tough to me.

Witchblade

I keep my back nearly parallel to the ground, like the starting position of the guy in the vid kinkery posted. I don't move my back like he does though. I stay 99% tight, no momentum.

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mike456

yea me too, I got a really weak core.

KelJu

I would like to be able to do that, but fact is I already have to deal with inflammation in my lower back, so I am not going to push my luck.

Witchblade

mike, you should try isometrics with the bobr. Keep the bar to your chest and hold. Don't even let it drop an inch. It's hard, but it worked great for me. I think it would also be beneficial for your core.

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mike456

yea I tried that a couple times before

DbLPLatinum89

if you are parallel it is bad for ur lower back but does work ur core like a motherfuc*er, which explains ur ab soreness. keep ur chest n back inclines but dont curve ur back. make sure u get a good squeeze when u pull the bar up to ur chest/stomach. should hit ur back really well.

mike456

watsup kenwood, did you get your 500lb bench yet?

Seanp156

I don't do BB Rows... I never feel like I'm working my back/lats, I feel much better doing DB rows, T-bar Rows, chest supported rows etc.

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PWGriffin

is that really kenwood? haha....he should be really close to that bench by now!!!

Maybe you are bending over a little too much and holding the weight too far away from ur body? I bend maybe a little more than 45 degrees

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Yes it is Kenwood. Check his journal.

BoytonHeavy

I love bent-over rows, I do them in a Dorian Yates's style, and right now my lats and traps are so sore for doing them hard and heavy, yesterday in the gym!
Some guy pissed me off in the gym though, and that was not cool

AKIRA

...Nice last line.

In any case, a Yates row isnt parallel to the ground and has a supinated grip. Id have to say, I like them a lot better.

Ive been trying to do textbook barbell rows lately, but with perfect form, I am having trouble with fatigue too. Oddly, despite all my stretches, my hamstrings feel tight when I do these.

Might have to go back to Yates...

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mike456

yup me too, the whole time I am doing them I feel the stretch in my hamstrings. I think its better to keep doing the textbook rows, because it will help the rest of your body get stronger... but also do another row, yates, or dumbbell bench, so you actually get to work your back... thats what I am doing

Witchblade

Yates rows work the biceps and the traps more, while bentover rows work the scapulae retractors and the external rotators more.
I prefer bentover rows 100%.

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I haven't worked this in just yet, but one of my major questions was about the back position and what works best. I see some like it damn near parallel while others use more of a 15-30 degree angle to take some stress off the lower back.

I had planned to start on these this week, perfect timing for this thread.

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Oddly enough, I never feel shit in my back, unless its real light weight (135lbs). I can go heavier (I used to row around 245lbs), but even with decent form, I felt nothing. Thinking that my form wasnt as good as I thought, I compromised and hovered between 185-225lbs. Still, no. This is with Yates too, but not so much.

I did however, think that its maybe cuz I was too inclined. When I did do heavy rows, I was always at an incline. Not anymore, but its like a full blown RESET for me.

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Brachiisaurus

I'm the same way...If I try to row with more than 135, I feel it way more in my arms.
So I try to stick to 105-135 range.

Seanp156

That's the reason I don't do them anymore... DB Rows, T-bar rows (lever setup), chest supported/machine rows seem to do the job much better.

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