Muscle Growth/Development question

Malley · 06-05-2007, 12:58 PM

Honeslty why not just have a set loading pattern that keeps things mixed up. Whether you are in a caloric deficit or not, your body will still adapt.

With the excpetion of alot of volume. I find my body dead ass tired the day after a high volume workout if I am in a caloric deficit.

MeatZatk · 06-05-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Kind of like "here" and "hear"

MeatZatk · 06-05-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gazhole

When somebody says "functional" to me i think of stuff like pushing a car or pulling a sled or something, but i squat and lunge more in a week to pick things up off the floor than ive ever pushed a car, lol.

you should quit dropping stuff.

**Gazhole** · 06-05-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatZatk

you should quit dropping stuff.

I thought you liked it

AKIRA · 06-05-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

tension work and mechanical work are important. don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Double posted something like that in my journal. He was quoting you.

So youre saying to have a mix, more or less?

**P-funk** · 06-05-2007, 03:49 PM

have a mix, yes......some tension work and some mechanical work.

MeatZatk · 06-05-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gazhole

I thought you liked it

I think I'm going homo for you

**CowPimp** · 06-05-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

But what would a cutting template look like? In other words, why would a person who wanted to lose weight do a 8-12 rep scheme when he/she knows its for size?

If you just want to lose weight and look like shit, then you can jog 6 miles a day and starve yourself. It's not that hard. If you want to lose fat, but keep your muscle, then that is a different ball game. Now you need that growth stimulus so that your body is more likely to spare the lean tissue, and possibly even build more if the stimulus is sufficient. I'm pretty sure most people are looking to maintain their muscle mass when they are cutting. If they aren't, then they are stupid.

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And if max strength is 4-8 reps, if strength will go down, how long does a person who is cutting do that?

Trying to find a gray area here...

I would try to keep some high intensity strength work in there the entire duration of the cut, whether or not your are losing strength. Really, you shouldn't lose much, or at least very little, unless you are being too aggressive and losing lots of LBM at the same time.

**Dale Mabry** · 06-05-2007, 09:14 PM

If you care about size I would do some TUT, either on the same day during the latter sets, or in an undulating scheme later in the week.

Phred · 06-05-2007, 09:29 PM

Would it be acceptable to state (generally) the resistance training part of your program does not change significantly for a cut? I mean isn't it really more of a diet issue than a training issue?

**P-funk** · 06-05-2007, 09:39 PM

Diet issue yes.

But, I do think there are things you can do when dieting that you can change when you are bulking up. Manipulating variables.....intensity, volume, frequency, etc....can be effective.

sammiza567 · 06-05-2007, 11:41 PM

this thread confused the hell out of me....if im eating big and lifting 4-6 reps im gonna gain muscle and strength.or so i thought?cuz i do lift heavy...

AKIRA · 06-06-2007, 12:36 AM

Its an eternal balance, i know. But its all relative...

alexvega · 06-06-2007, 10:06 AM

the true here iis .

each people respond to diferent kind of exercise.

your body can respond better to low rep. or it can respond to high repetitions.

thats my opinion.
thanks

camarosuper6 · 06-06-2007, 12:39 PM

I laugh at trainers who do "core" work using medicine balls and stupid crunch type work.

How about you just have your person do some real basic heavy movements and not waste their entire 60 dollars per hour.

**CowPimp** · 06-06-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

I laugh at trainers who do "core" work using medicine balls and stupid crunch type work.

How about you just have your person do some real basic heavy movements and not waste their entire 60 dollars per hour.

Indeed. I try to avoid that stuff as much as possible, but do it on occasion to placate people's unyielding desire for worthless ab exercises. I do, however, really like plank variations and PNF movements.

AKIRA · 06-06-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

If you care about size I would do some TUT, either on the same day during the latter sets, or in an undulating scheme later in the week.

What is TUT?

**IainDaniel** · 06-06-2007, 07:41 PM

Time under tension.

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06-05-2007, 09:39 PM	#41
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	Diet issue yes. But, I do think there are things you can do when dieting that you can change when you are bulking up. Manipulating variables.....intensity, volume, frequency, etc....can be effective.
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06-05-2007, 12:58 PM	#31
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,008	Honeslty why not just have a set loading pattern that keeps things mixed up. Whether you are in a caloric deficit or not, your body will still adapt. With the excpetion of alot of volume. I find my body dead ass tired the day after a high volume workout if I am in a caloric deficit.

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