Professional Opinion

Supreme Sports · 06-03-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

Look at how old school BB'ers trained....total body workouts.

Split routines came about when D-bol came around.

Go read flex magazine and put some posing oil on.

Please refrain from DISRESPECTING THE SPONSORS.

Conduct yourself like an adult and a professional. please.

fufu · 06-03-2007, 05:48 PM

These guys all take/took massive amounts of drugs to get where they are at. Along with all the hard work + insane dieting. Combine that with incredible genetics for muscle growth. Normal people can't and shouldn't train like pro bodybuilders.

Not trying to start shit, just a little debate.

JerseyDevil · 06-03-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Sports

I AM 100% ACCURATE, FOR OPTIMAL MUSCLE GROWTH!

Are we chemically enhanced just maybe?

Is this where you tell us how wonderful your supps are?

JerseyDevil · 06-03-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Sports

Please refrain from DISRESPECTING THE SPONSORS.

Conduct yourself like an adult and a professional. please.

Well I AM starting shit. Who the hell do you think YOU ARE Mr 37 posts. A sponsor? BIG FUCKING DEAL!

I for one won't buy ANY of your shit pal.

**P-funk** · 06-03-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Sports

Please refrain from DISRESPECTING THE SPONSORS.

Conduct yourself like an adult and a professional. please.

what are your qualifications? Degrees? professional certifications?

Supreme Sports · 06-03-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Are we chemically enhanced just maybe?

Is this where you tell us how wonderful your supps are?

The original argument was if training 3 or more muscle per session is MORE OR LESS EFFECTIVE than training ONE OR TWO MUSCLES per training session.

I STATED, it is FAR more effective to train one or two muscle per session, as an intermediate bodybuilder needs at LEAST 10-15 sets per muscle, 20-25 on Back and legs. This is IMPOSSIBLE to accomplish if you are training 3 or more muscles in ONE SESSION!

I enjoy the discourse, just shows there are many ways to SKIN a CAT.

BUT, I believe THIS is the most EFFECTIVE way.

JerseyDevil · 06-03-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Sports

I enjoy the discourse, just shows there are many ways to SKIN a CAT.

Now that, I can agree with.

**P-funk** · 06-03-2007, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Sports

I STATED, it is FAR more effective to train one or two muscle per session, as an intermediate bodybuilder needs at LEAST 10-15 sets per muscle, 20-25 on Back and legs. This is IMPOSSIBLE to accomplish if you are training 3 or more muscles in ONE SESSION!

You are not quantifying volume properly.

If you are saying that you need to train 10-15 sets per muscle group and that you can't do it in one session you are correct. You break up the muscle groups and do something like train chest on monday for 10-15 sets. then, you waite to train chest again until next week. So, in actuality, you have trained 10-15 sets on chest in one week (7 day rotation).

Now, if I train bench press for 4 sets on monday, DB incline press for 4 sets on wed. and incline BB press for 4 sets on fri., have I not done the exact same total amount of volume that you have done in a weeks time?

The only difference is that metabolic recovery will take place in around 48 hours. Why not give myself that additional training stimulus instead of waiting a week (a full 7 days) to do it again?

Supreme Sports · 06-03-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

You are not quantifying volume properly.

If you are saying that you need to train 10-15 sets per muscle group and that you can't do it in one session you are correct. You break up the muscle groups and do something like train chest on monday for 10-15 sets. then, you waite to train chest again until next week. So, in actuality, you have trained 10-15 sets on chest in one week (7 day rotation).

Now, if I train bench press for 4 sets on monday, DB incline press for 4 sets on wed. and incline BB press for 4 sets on fri., have I not done the exact same total amount of volume that you have done in a weeks time?

The only difference is that metabolic recovery will take place in around 48 hours. Why not give myself that additional training stimulus instead of waiting a week (a full 7 days) to do it again?

This is just physiolgically FALSE.

If this were the case, ENDURANCE ATHLETES WOULD BE JACKED, because they TECHNICALLY perform more VOLUME than ANYONE!

What matters PHYSIOLOGICALLY for anabolism(muscle-growth), is OVERLOAD PER SESSION.

fufu · 06-03-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Sports

This is just physiolgically FALSE.

If this were the case, ENDURANCE ATHLETES WOULD BE JACKED, because they TECHNICALLY perform more VOLUME than ANYONE!

What matters PHYSIOLOGICALLY for anabolism(muscle-growth), is OVERLOAD PER SESSION.

No, it isn't false, because endurance athletes train at a low intensity range that does not stimulate muscle growth.

**P-funk** · 06-03-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Sports

This is just physiolgically FALSE.

If this were the case, ENDURANCE ATHLETES WOULD BE JACKED, because they TECHNICALLY perform more VOLUME than ANYONE!

What matters PHYSIOLOGICALLY for anabolism(muscle-growth), is OVERLOAD PER SESSION.

No, that is not physiologically false at all.

Endurance athletes are not jacked because they do not training with the proper stimulus to illicit growth!

You clearly missed what I was saying......The volume between my example and yours is the EXACT SAME!

The difference is the frequency. This is training 101.

There is a difference between training volume and training frequency. What you do with those two variables and how you manipulate intensity is what will make or break the training program

Again....please answer my question.

Supreme Sports · 06-03-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

No, that is not physiologically false at all.

Endurance athletes are not jacked because they do not training with the proper stimulus to illicit growth!

You clearly missed what I was saying......The volume between my example and yours is the EXACT SAME!

The difference is the frequency. This is training 101.

There is a difference between training volume and training frequency. What you do with those two variables and how you manipulate intensity is what will make or break the training program

Again....please answer my question.

Frequency for each muscle ranges from 1-2 times per week, each time with the MAXIMUM STIMULUS required to illicit MAXIMUM GROWTH.

NOW, for an ALL NATURAL ATHLETE, this may be overkill, so a LOWER VOLUME approach would be OPTIMAL for ANABOLISM.

Supreme Sports · 06-03-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fufu

No, it isn't false, because endurance athletes train at a low intensity range that does not stimulate muscle growth.

NOT NECESSARILY, but yes in most cases correct.

Which is why MAXIMUM STIMULUS is required for MAXIMUM GROWTH.

fufu · 06-03-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Sports

NOT NECESSARILY, but yes in most cases correct.

Which is why MAXIMUM STIMULUS is required for MAXIMUM GROWTH.

Well I'm not sure what you mean by maximum stimulus. What do you define that as?

JerseyDevil · 06-03-2007, 06:19 PM

I believe he is defining 'maximum stimulus' as 20-30 working sets once a week for large muscle groups.

SS, how did you come up with these exact numbers? Any references? What are your credentials again?

Supreme Sports · 06-03-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fufu

Well I'm not sure what you mean by maximum stimulus. What do you define that as?

For an intermediate bodybuilder:

Chest:12-20 sets
Back: 15-20 sets
Shoulders: 10-15 sets
Biceps: 10-12 sets
Triceps: 10-15 sets
Legs: 15-20 sets

For an ADVANCED bodybuilder:

Chest: 15-25 sets
Back: 20-30 sets
Shoulders: 15-20 sets
Biceps: 10-15 sets
Triceps: 15-20 sets
Legs: 20-30 sets

As I STATED BEFORE...

**P-funk** · 06-03-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Sports

For an intermediate bodybuilder:

Chest:12-20 sets
Back: 15-20 sets
Shoulders: 10-15 sets
Biceps: 10-12 sets
Triceps: 10-15 sets
Legs: 15-20 sets

For an ADVANCED bodybuilder:

Chest: 15-25 sets
Back: 20-30 sets
Shoulders: 15-20 sets
Biceps: 10-15 sets
Triceps: 15-20 sets
Legs: 20-30 sets

As I STATED BEFORE...

and how are you going to set that up in one week. where you get that number of sets each training session. while only training one muscle group per workouk.

**P-funk** · 06-03-2007, 06:22 PM

also, what are you qualifying as interediate and advanced?

Supreme Sports · 06-03-2007, 06:23 PM

I am just a hardcore bodybuilder my friends. I wanted to impact the community so I started Supreme Sports Enhancements(SSE) and Supreme Sports Fitness(SSF)

No CREDENTIALS WHATSOEVER.

BTW, I actually MISTRUST people with credentials.

Supreme Sports · 06-03-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

and how are you going to set that up in one week. where you get that number of sets each training session. while only training one muscle group per workouk.

One or two muscles, depending on the specific regimens.

I do professional consulations, and I list NO CREDENTIALS WHATSOEVER. Most people know me by word-of-mouth, so they know I am the REAL DEAL

**P-funk** · 06-03-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Sports

One or two muscles, depending on the specific regimens.

I do professional consulations, and I list NO CREDENTIALS WHATSOEVER. Most people know me by word-of-mouth, so they know I am the REAL DEAL

What do you mean one or two muscles? I thought you said one muscle per workout for optimal gains?

**P-funk** · 06-03-2007, 06:31 PM

Oh, I thought you said one muscle per workout.

So what if you do consultations?

Supreme Sports · 06-03-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

Oh, I thought you said one muscle per workout.

So what if you do consultations?

To clarify that there are literally DOZENS of different training schemes yuo can create.

I can set you up if you would like.

You are a very knowledgable bro, we can use a MOD like you over at SSF.

**P-funk** · 06-03-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Sports

To clarify that there are literally DOZENS of different training schemes yuo can create.

I can set you up if you would like.

You are a very knowledgable bro, we can use a MOD like you over at SSF.

I don't think that I need your consultations.

I have to many fucking letters after my name as it is. I think I should know something by now.

Supreme Sports · 06-03-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

I don't think that I need your consultations.

I have to many fucking letters after my name as it is. I think I should know something by now.

I was only joking, but feel free to join SSF. We really could use a guy like you.

06-03-2007, 05:48 PM	#32
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06-03-2007, 06:22 PM	#48
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	also, what are you qualifying as interediate and advanced?
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06-03-2007, 06:31 PM	#52
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	Oh, I thought you said one muscle per workout. So what if you do consultations?
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06-03-2007, 06:19 PM	#45
JerseyDevil Done Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,176	I believe he is defining 'maximum stimulus' as 20-30 working sets once a week for large muscle groups. SS, how did you come up with these exact numbers? Any references? What are your credentials again?

06-03-2007, 06:23 PM	#49
Supreme Sports Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 53	I am just a hardcore bodybuilder my friends. I wanted to impact the community so I started Supreme Sports Enhancements(SSE) and Supreme Sports Fitness(SSF) No CREDENTIALS WHATSOEVER. BTW, I actually MISTRUST people with credentials.