lat pulldown size matter

MZiggy · 06-19-2007, 04:56 PM

im wondering im 6'5 and my frend who i work out with is about 5'9. he can deadlift about 50lbs more than me and i can lat pulldown over 50lbs more than him. is this cause i weigh more since if he tries to pull it down it lifts him up.?

AKIRA · 06-19-2007, 05:36 PM

Witchblade · 06-20-2007, 06:15 AM

Not unless your form is total madness and you're jerking that bar down with your entire body.

Generally speaking, smaller people have better leverages and a decreased ROM. Bigger folks tend to have a higher absolute power output.

MZiggy · 06-20-2007, 07:09 PM

i pull the bar down fine at 160 no jerking and he can only do about 100. im skinnier than him but i guess my back is just strong

AKIRA · 06-20-2007, 07:45 PM

I just wouldnt bother with that machine unless you cant do a pullup. Not that I dont throw it into my workout, but youre speaking of comparisons.

I know you want to know about height vs. strength, but its not something you should worry about at any moment during self-improvement.

Hoglander · 06-20-2007, 09:15 PM

160 and 6 5 equals can't do one, IMHO.

Hoglander · 06-20-2007, 09:19 PM

Moreover... what do machine hating guys do when pull ups are way to easy? My gym doesn't have a waist belt you can hook weights to. I can do over 20 at 216 what am I suppose to do besides use the lat machine?

**CowPimp** · 06-20-2007, 10:06 PM

Trying to compare your strength between these two exercises makes no sense. They are totally different motor patterns, and they involve very different muscle groups as their prime movers.

**Gazhole** · 06-21-2007, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoglander

Moreover... what do machine hating guys do when pull ups are way to easy? My gym doesn't have a waist belt you can hook weights to. I can do over 20 at 216 what am I suppose to do besides use the lat machine?

Buy a belt or use a standard backpack to put weight in. Thats what i do and it works great.

I also know people who hook a Dumbell between their calves and do it that way.

Witchblade · 06-21-2007, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Trying to compare your strength between these two exercises makes no sense. They are totally different motor patterns, and they involve very different muscle groups as their prime movers.

Care to elaborate? I'd put it in the FAQ since this is probably new information for a lot of people.

AKIRA · 06-21-2007, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoglander

Moreover... what do machine hating guys do when pull ups are way to easy? My gym doesn't have a waist belt you can hook weights to. I can do over 20 at 216 what am I suppose to do besides use the lat machine?

Try different grips.
Do negatives.
L pullups
Typewriters (even though they look like windshield wipers)
One arm?

AKIRA · 06-21-2007, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Trying to compare your strength between these two exercises makes no sense. They are totally different motor patterns, and they involve very different muscle groups as their prime movers.

I wouldnt say theyre totally different at all.

How it works is different, but the movement of the musculature is about the same.

**Gazhole** · 06-21-2007, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKIRA

I wouldnt say theyre totally different at all.

How it works is different, but the movement of the musculature is about the same.

Lat Pulldown:

Muscles
Target

Latissimus Dorsi

Synergists

Brachialis
Brachioradialis
Biceps Brachii
Teres Major
Deltoid, Posterior
Infraspinatus
Teres Minor
Rhomboids
Levator Scapulae
Trapezius, Lower
Trapezius, Middle
Pectoralis Minor

Dynamic Stabilizers

Triceps, Long Head

***

Pull Up:

Target

Latissimus Dorsi

Synergists

Brachialis
Brachioradialis
Biceps Brachii
Teres Major
Rhomboids
Levator Scapulae
Trapezius, Lower
Pectoralis Major, Sternal
Pectoralis Minor

Dynamic Stabilizers

Triceps, Long Head

***

The muscles they use are slightly different at least.

Hoglander · 06-21-2007, 08:26 PM

Good Ideas, thanks. I'm two pin pegs from looking for alternatives.

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MZiggy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phila ,PA Posts: 50	i pull the bar down fine at 160 no jerking and he can only do about 100. im skinnier than him but i guess my back is just strong

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