newbie query

**IainDaniel** · 06-28-2007, 02:47 PM

Why does it need concentric failure? It doesn't.

britlifter · 06-28-2007, 05:14 PM

A muscle does NOT need to be trained to failure for it to adapt by getting stronger and growing. Stoping 1-2 reps short of failure gives a muscle enough stimulation needed to make it adapt. In fact this way of training is favourable due to less stress on the CNS.

Of course failure training can be used be individuals to greater or lesser degree's but by NO means does a muscle have to fail to know its been worked.

**Gazhole** · 06-29-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by heartironguts

and anyways ppl up there, no need make ur mama in a shape of cat StanUk Gazhole go and read then at least talk knowl;ege ............................................

I don't insult people on the Internet much because its pointless, but you sir are a complete fucking idiot.

Muscles lengthen and contract, you can stimulate them to get bigger or leave them to get smaller, you can have a high bodyfat or lose the fat and REVEAL what their shape is but that is mostly diet related and has nothing to do with training.

There is no magic rep range for shaping or toning a muscle. You cant do an exercise in a certain way to stimulate a section of the muscle (ie- the belly of the bicep, the upper/inner/nipple area of the chest...)

I have "gone and read" if you must ask, the difference between me and you is that i've read about how things actually are, and you seem to have read some articles from fucking fantasy land where human physiology is dependant on the conscious will of the individual, bodybuilders are all natural, anecdotal information is gospel, and the land is run by little pink fairies that live in your shoes.

Go and read something that isnt complete fucking nonsense then YOU come back and apologise for what an ass you've been.

luisfigo_benfic · 06-29-2007, 04:32 AM

Im tired of these new guys that joined IM 2 hours ago, coming in here and talking shit to the vets that have been around and actually know what their stuff. If you dont know what your talking about then dammit dont post anything!!! Double D is a NASM CPT i'd listen if i were you.

Witchblade · 06-29-2007, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luisfigo_benfic

Im tired of these new guys that joined IM 2 hours ago, coming in here and talking shit to the vets that have been around and actually know what their stuff. If you dont know what your talking about then dammit dont post anything!!! Double D is a NASM CPT i'd listen if i were you.

Your avatar is a brilliant addition to this post.

**Gazhole** · 06-29-2007, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

Your avatar is a brilliant addition to this post.

+1

Malley · 06-29-2007, 08:05 AM

Guys with under 100 posts coming in here and spouting off at the mouth about what they read in a bodybuilding magazine.....knock that shit off.

britlifter · 06-29-2007, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Guys with under 100 posts coming in here and spouting off at the mouth about what they read in a bodybuilding magazine.....knock that shit off.

not refering to my post r u?

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/tr...ml#post1647068 (newbie query)

Malley · 06-29-2007, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by britlifter

not refering to my post r u?

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/tr...ml#post1647068 (newbie query)

No....your post seemed logical.

AKIRA · 06-29-2007, 09:28 AM

I am calling bullshit on this thread. Someone in here has been banned before and is back for a new adventure.

Malley · 06-29-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

I am calling bullshit on this thread. Someone in here has been banned before and is back for a new adventure.

Exactly....

AKIRA · 06-29-2007, 09:37 AM

Few people all join in the same month? And theyre idiots.. This isnt the only thread Ive seen them in either.

And wasnt viet_john talking about hooking up multiple IPs yesterday?

Malley · 06-29-2007, 09:38 AM

Yeah I saw that as well.....plenty other sites out there. I guess this is the best though.

AKIRA · 06-29-2007, 09:42 AM

I could be wrong and if I am, then this will be a fun thread.

Malley · 06-29-2007, 09:44 AM

This is one of my favorites already. And even if these fellas are new they sure are making themselves look.....uneducated.

AKIRA · 06-29-2007, 09:50 AM

In a general sense, the word "shape" sends off bad signals around here... There might be a better question to ask.

For instance, when I first came here, I think I was discussing the different angles of bench presses. I had some questions, but because I used the words "target" or "isolate," it was hard to even start my road to understanding.

Now, I can understand where people are coming from most of the time cuz of how I went through this learning process.

Semantics. What a bitch.

maltesecorsair · 06-30-2007, 12:51 AM

Hi
Thank you very much for the encouragement and advice.

I am new and if I do say something silly, I'd like you to understand that it's just my gross ignorance and not me trying to be a smarty pants. Umm is there some sort of general time period after which you can think yourself as sort of having fallen into the rhythm of working out?Or is it just a gut feeling you have to go with?Also, I suppose you people workout something like 4-5 hours a day? Would a total period of around 1.45 hours be deemed as too light? And ummm has anyone here tried the "bullworker"? Anyone got good results with it?(even the teensiest bit of muscle betterment?)

Scarface30 · 06-30-2007, 07:25 PM

you should try to keep each of your weight lifting sessions to 60 minutes or less

barbell boy · 06-30-2007, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maltesecorsair

Hello everyone

Would like to know something pretty basic, please dont get angry.Does a person have to do reps until failure to get any muscle growth at all? I mean even if you dont go to that limit muscle growth still does happen doesnt it?Another thing, when you lift weights is it permissible to lock out your joints at the apex of the move?Hoping for some reassurance and advice, please help.

I never used to lift to failure but have just started as a way of altering my program a little to maybe kickstart new growth and improvement, but it is not necessary straight away, there are plenty of big guys out there who don't train to failure,

secondly locking out is dangerous 4 the joints on some exercises and takes the stress off the muscles which is counter-productive because stressing the muscles is what makes them grow

maltesecorsair · 07-03-2007, 06:59 PM

60 minutes max?Well sir seems like I am overdoing it by a whole 45 minutes then but I dunno how I'll be able to cut down the time-higher tempo?
And about the lifting to failure, barbell boy, sir, that means I can keep going as I do and still hope to gain some muscle aye?That makes me happy

barbell boy · 07-05-2007, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maltesecorsair

60 minutes max?Well sir seems like I am overdoing it by a whole 45 minutes then but I dunno how I'll be able to cut down the time-higher tempo?
And about the lifting to failure, barbell boy, sir, that means I can keep going as I do and still hope to gain some muscle aye?That makes me happy

Yea your best bet is to read the stickies to get a good idea of how to structure a workout ie number of reps, sets and lengths of your rest periods. And u definately don't need to lift to failure to produce gains, as a noob you will increase steadily for a while before you plataeu (which happens to everyone don't worry) at this plataeu this is when you gotta switch it up and change your routine to kickstart new gains.

maltesecorsair · 07-06-2007, 10:29 PM

Thank you sir.I'll go have a look at the stickies and get back when I get more questions

06-28-2007, 02:47 PM	#31
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 15,622	Why does it need concentric failure? It doesn't.
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06-29-2007, 08:05 AM	#37
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,008	Guys with under 100 posts coming in here and spouting off at the mouth about what they read in a bodybuilding magazine.....knock that shit off.
	www.crossfit.com

06-29-2007, 09:28 AM	#40
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 7,782 Photos: 3	I am calling bullshit on this thread. Someone in here has been banned before and is back for a new adventure.
	6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 360 (11/29) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

06-29-2007, 09:37 AM	#42
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 7,782 Photos: 3	Few people all join in the same month? And theyre idiots.. This isnt the only thread Ive seen them in either. And wasnt viet_john talking about hooking up multiple IPs yesterday?
	6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 360 (11/29) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

06-29-2007, 09:38 AM	#43
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,008	Yeah I saw that as well.....plenty other sites out there. I guess this is the best though.
	www.crossfit.com

06-28-2007, 05:14 PM	#32
britlifter Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Great Britain Posts: 40	A muscle does NOT need to be trained to failure for it to adapt by getting stronger and growing. Stoping 1-2 reps short of failure gives a muscle enough stimulation needed to make it adapt. In fact this way of training is favourable due to less stress on the CNS. Of course failure training can be used be individuals to greater or lesser degree's but by NO means does a muscle have to fail to know its been worked.

06-29-2007, 04:32 AM	#34
luisfigo_benfic Napalm is sticky! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 68	Im tired of these new guys that joined IM 2 hours ago, coming in here and talking shit to the vets that have been around and actually know what their stuff. If you dont know what your talking about then dammit dont post anything!!! Double D is a NASM CPT i'd listen if i were you.

06-29-2007, 09:42 AM	#44
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 7,782 Photos: 3	I could be wrong and if I am, then this will be a fun thread.
	6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 360 (11/29) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

06-29-2007, 09:44 AM	#45
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,008	This is one of my favorites already. And even if these fellas are new they sure are making themselves look.....uneducated.
	www.crossfit.com

06-29-2007, 09:50 AM	#46
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 7,782 Photos: 3	In a general sense, the word "shape" sends off bad signals around here... There might be a better question to ask. For instance, when I first came here, I think I was discussing the different angles of bench presses. I had some questions, but because I used the words "target" or "isolate," it was hard to even start my road to understanding. Now, I can understand where people are coming from most of the time cuz of how I went through this learning process. Semantics. What a bitch.
	6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 360 (11/29) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

06-30-2007, 12:51 AM	#47
maltesecorsair Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: faaar away in asia! boooo!:p Posts: 69	Hi Thank you very much for the encouragement and advice. I am new and if I do say something silly, I'd like you to understand that it's just my gross ignorance and not me trying to be a smarty pants. Umm is there some sort of general time period after which you can think yourself as sort of having fallen into the rhythm of working out?Or is it just a gut feeling you have to go with?Also, I suppose you people workout something like 4-5 hours a day? Would a total period of around 1.45 hours be deemed as too light? And ummm has anyone here tried the "bullworker"? Anyone got good results with it?(even the teensiest bit of muscle betterment?)
	Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo

06-30-2007, 07:25 PM	#48
Scarface30 C'Nucked Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 1,741 Photos: 2	you should try to keep each of your weight lifting sessions to 60 minutes or less
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07-03-2007, 06:59 PM	#50
maltesecorsair Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: faaar away in asia! boooo!:p Posts: 69	60 minutes max?Well sir seems like I am overdoing it by a whole 45 minutes then but I dunno how I'll be able to cut down the time-higher tempo? And about the lifting to failure, barbell boy, sir, that means I can keep going as I do and still hope to gain some muscle aye?That makes me happy
	Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo

07-06-2007, 10:29 PM	#52
maltesecorsair Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: faaar away in asia! boooo!:p Posts: 69	Thank you sir.I'll go have a look at the stickies and get back when I get more questions
	Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo

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