squat question

juggernaut · 07-03-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

wrapping your knees is even worse! That forces that patella back into the joint and creates more sheering forces. Not good advice at all.

then how is that my knees are much better now, and I feel almost none of the pain afterwards that I used to feel when not wrapping?

Stewart20 · 07-03-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

The difference is that the load is not on your spine.

I don't have people squat with a trap bar though. We deadlift with it. We get more in a deadlift position and use our hips.

Naturally, but if you were to exclusively squat with the weight in your hands, are you missing anything by not loading the spine?

**P-funk** · 07-03-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Stewart20

Naturally, but if you were to exclusively squat with the weight in your hands, are you missing anything by not loading the spine?

ofcourse you are. they are two totally different movements.

**P-funk** · 07-03-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

then how is that my knees are much better now, and I feel almost none of the pain afterwards that I used to feel when not wrapping?

depends on what type of wraps you are using.

when people say wraps, i think of powerlifting wraps, where you wrap the knees up in order to gain assistance in knee extension coming out of the hole.

if you are talking neoprene wraps, then those are helpful because they increase heat to the tendon and supporting structure of the joints.

juggernaut · 07-03-2007, 09:57 AM

powerlifting wraps

**P-funk** · 07-03-2007, 10:00 AM

don't know why your knee feels better. maybe you are squatting and more conscious of technique because it was hurting.

I would ditch the powerlifting wraps and think about getting a neoprene wrap.

also, look for reasons why your knee hurts in the first place. You should need to have crutches or bandages in life. Find out what the overall problem is and fix it.

is it a poor tracking issue? is it patellar tendonitis? it is something else? etc..

juggernaut · 07-03-2007, 10:49 AM

patella tendinitis and the onset of anrthritis in my left knee only. I tried the neoprone wraps. They didnt do anything for me. So, I tried the pwl wraps and they seem to work so much better. And, I think you might be right in which you said my form got more mindful. I had a powerlifter where I workout at watch my form and he corrected a lot of sore spots that I was lacking in. I go so deep now that I can touch a milk crate lying sideways. Actually, I leave right under the squat rack to keep me on focus.

**P-funk** · 07-03-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

patella tendinitis and the onset of anrthritis in my left knee only. I tried the neoprone wraps. They didnt do anything for me. So, I tried the pwl wraps and they seem to work so much better. And, I think you might be right in which you said my form got more mindful. I had a powerlifter where I workout at watch my form and he corrected a lot of sore spots that I was lacking in. I go so deep now that I can touch a milk crate lying sideways. Actually, I leave right under the squat rack to keep me on focus.

try a patella strap.

look into some deep tissue massage or active release for the patella tendon.

check your ankle mobility and knee tracking too.

danny81 · 07-03-2007, 12:04 PM

how can i find out what the problem is?

DOMS · 07-03-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

try a patella strap.

look into some deep tissue massage or active release for the patella tendon.

check your ankle mobility and knee tracking too.

I thought that knee wraps made the bones in the joint rub together. Which is a bad thing.

**P-funk** · 07-03-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

I thought that knee wraps made the bones in the joint rub together. Which is a bad thing.

yea, knee wraps (powerlifting wraps) do.

neoprene wraps are different.

**P-funk** · 07-03-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by danny81

how can i find out what the problem is?

go to a physical therapist or a trainer that can do a proper movement screen and have them take a look at how you perform certain tasks.

danny81 · 07-03-2007, 12:42 PM

i went they said that nothing is wrong with my knee

**P-funk** · 07-03-2007, 12:44 PM

your knee hurts....they said nothing is wrong with it?

go to someone else. if it hurts, there is a reason. they should be able to give you some sort of idea.

what did they do for an evaluation?

did they do flexibility tests? manual muscle testing? functional movement screen?

AKIRA · 07-03-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

patella tendinitis and the onset of anrthritis in my left knee only. I tried the neoprone wraps. They didnt do anything for me. So, I tried the pwl wraps and they seem to work so much better. And, I think you might be right in which you said my form got more mindful. I had a powerlifter where I workout at watch my form and he corrected a lot of sore spots that I was lacking in. I go so deep now that I can touch a milk crate lying sideways. Actually, I leave right under the squat rack to keep me on focus.

Isnt it about the same height>?

danny81 · 07-03-2007, 02:21 PM

P. they took x rays flexibility test and they said nothing is wrong. i went to two people a reg doctor and a knee specialist

**P-funk** · 07-03-2007, 03:44 PM

there may not be anything structurally wrong with it.

doing a static flexibility test only gives you so much information.

there is probably something functionally wrong with it.....ie, when you produce movement. You need to go and get someone to do a movement screen to analyze the quality of movement you produce and see what is going on.

juggernaut · 07-03-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Isnt it about the same height>?

danny81 · 07-03-2007, 09:40 PM

alright funk thanks.

Rubes · 07-03-2007, 09:45 PM

i take a wide stance when i squat just because i have bow legs a lil bit and my legs are big and i walk with them a lil wider then my shoulders its just how they go.

Hoglander · 07-03-2007, 10:15 PM

Whatever keeps the heels on the ground

ReproMan · 07-04-2007, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

Isnt it about the same height>?

Yes, it's a cube.

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P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	don't know why your knee feels better. maybe you are squatting and more conscious of technique because it was hurting. I would ditch the powerlifting wraps and think about getting a neoprene wrap. also, look for reasons why your knee hurts in the first place. You should need to have crutches or bandages in life. Find out what the overall problem is and fix it. is it a poor tracking issue? is it patellar tendonitis? it is something else? etc..
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juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,097 Photos: 2	patella tendinitis and the onset of anrthritis in my left knee only. I tried the neoprone wraps. They didnt do anything for me. So, I tried the pwl wraps and they seem to work so much better. And, I think you might be right in which you said my form got more mindful. I had a powerlifter where I workout at watch my form and he corrected a lot of sore spots that I was lacking in. I go so deep now that I can touch a milk crate lying sideways. Actually, I leave right under the squat rack to keep me on focus.
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07-03-2007, 12:44 PM	#44
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	your knee hurts....they said nothing is wrong with it? go to someone else. if it hurts, there is a reason. they should be able to give you some sort of idea. what did they do for an evaluation? did they do flexibility tests? manual muscle testing? functional movement screen?
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07-03-2007, 03:44 PM	#47
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,280	there may not be anything structurally wrong with it. doing a static flexibility test only gives you so much information. there is probably something functionally wrong with it.....ie, when you produce movement. You need to go and get someone to do a movement screen to analyze the quality of movement you produce and see what is going on.
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